General Election 2024

I suspect they are going to up taxes on businesses, reversing the corporate rate tax cuts and offshoring, Dutch sandwich shenanigans.

From the manifesto:

Labour will cap corporation tax at the current level of 25 per cent, the lowest in the G7, for the entire parliament, and we will act if tax changes in other countries pose a risk to UK competitiveness. We will retain a permanent full expensing system for capital investment and the annual investment allowance for small business. And we will give firms greater clarity on what qualifies for allowances to improve business investment decisions.

Do you mean Starmer?

He's already got Russia and Israel to deal with. I doubt he needs another intervention.

All politics is faith/trust based, sometimes you get Brexit as was delivered to the UK population, other times you get BOE independence.

It felt after 97 that the Labour manifesto could have been more radical as people had pretty much made up their mind to get rid of the Tories - an example of the adage that elections are lost, not won. It feels even more like that this time. But it's also true that Labour was more radical, and much more redistributive, than they let on. Much of that came from Brown and I'm not sure Reeves is of the same bent but surely it's not hard to see why they are more than cautious. There was much more enthusiasm and optimism in 97 and Blair was popular in a way Starmer is not but Jesus, these despicable Tory bastards are about to be kicked out and Labour might get its largest ever majority. Can't we wait till the morning after to start feeling miserable?

For Labour to win so many things have to align but all the Tories have to do is not seem totally useless. It's not a fair contest, which is why they have to be so careful. They can't push a vaguely bold agenda and expect to get a fair hearing. Think of the Rayner council house non-story Vs Sunak making money betting against the UK during the crash.
I'd love a manifesto of scrapping the royals, the Lords and renationalising rail and the utilities but it wouldn't win, even against self-drowned Sunak, so what would be the point?

I would vote for a Labour party with no manifesto over a Tory party with Corbyn's manifesto. Effectively the manifestos are meaningless

So much this.

Saw some of the Labour Manfesto launch on BBC News, the last 10mins of Starmer speaking and some of the journo questions.

The big thing that struck me was the presentation, the light white airy openess of Labour verses what could of been a dark cellar for the tories. It looked so much better!

I suspect not many people will actually ever read any Manafesto ever,but might see the visuals on a screen somewhere.

It looks like Labour have got their shit togther, I'm sure this dose make a diffrence to the average Jo who dosen't really engage with Politics.

Effectively the manifestos are meaningless

One important(ish) thing is that if something is in a manifesto it won't get contested by the Lords.

wow willmelling feeling optimistic! That wasnt promised in the labour manifesto.

Sometimes you get bad policy, and at other times you also get bad policy. Not sure that's a favourable take for trust based politics.

Governance by "Surprise! we're doing this other thing" is pretty bad for democracy.

This current shower of cunts trampled all over that convention with their Rwanda plan.

I didn't see much clutching of pearls from the right-wing commentariat.

Very much this. Was just about to write something along the same lines.

Just read the section on the area I know a bit about (p 75 to 91)

It seems to me there is some diagnosis of the issues, promises to solve them, but no substantive details on how they plan to achieve that.

I hoped they would be offering more at this stage. It doesn't create the impression of a government ready to hit the ground running, and I feel they have been wasting their time in opposition.

I guess we are in the era of politics based on vibes though.

A wheelie bin with a red rosette would win here. The manifesto makes no reference to supporting active travel, just that filling potholes (renewing roads) for drivers will benefit cyclists too.

True, but it did still spend a lot of time being sent back from the Lords.

But they folded in the end, without significant changes, mainly because Labour peers decided (presumably on instruction from the leadership) not to persist.

The Tories booked some conference facility at Silverstone for the buzzy hi-tech vroom vroom vibe but being incompetent baby SPADs didn't realise Tom Cruise was shooting a film there so absolutely no filming of anything actually identifying they were at Silverstone was allowed.

*Brad Pitt

I have conflated Tom Cruise trying to get in Rishi's car at Battersea heliport last week with another Hollywood X Tory fuck up.

Labour might get its largest ever majority

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Tory party with Corbyn's manifesto.

I've got a copy of the 2019 manifesto signed by Keir

Who absolutely is not doing any dropoffs or pickups.