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  • Is there any space where you're allowed to criticise Starmer or lament about their proposed policies for the next five years? I thought the centre was supposed to be where the "adults" do politics. But how can that be possible if we're not allowed to talk politics.

    It all has a bit of the right complaining about remainers "talking down Britain."

    Of course there is. But unless they are in power, they can't do shit. Criticise the fuck out of them when they are in power and actively not doing what you want.

    But win first, meaningful changes later.

    I suspect they are going to up taxes on businesses, reversing the corporate rate tax cuts and offshoring, Dutch sandwich shenanigans.

    Now putting that in a manifesto to win? Not so easy.
    When in power? Fuck yeah. Super majority. Fuck Starbucks, Amazon, etc...

    The manifesto is more marketing brochure than blueprint. I think it should be treated as such.

  • But win first, meaningful changes later.

    Faith based politicking.

    shrug

    Fair enough. Pees.

  • All politics is faith/trust based, sometimes you get Brexit as was delivered to the UK population, other times you get BOE independence.

  • Faith based politicking.

    Still a better option than politicking from the opposition benches.

    I understand the frustration but pragmatism really is the better way here.

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