General Election 2024

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in reply to @Soul

Whoa - I'm not sure I claimed or insinuated I'd been cancelled. I think you might be reading my tone a bit wrong. I was responding to this:

Complaining about the style of potential victory, after years of no fucking hope of victory, strikes me as, well, lacking an understanding the game being played. As the Tories have demonstrated for quite some time, it's the achieving of results, not the style of achieving the results, that is more important bit. Get past this part, then ramp up the manifesto stuff later.

That is, the position that the policies are not important, and to treat them as such is to misunderstand "the game being played." I think the policies are important.

Edit: ahhh. is it because I used the word "space" and that had connotations with "safe space" or something? "Space" in this context was a reference to this being the GE thread. If you can't discuss manifestos and policies and politics here, what "space" can you?

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slippers in reply to @

It's also to confuse means and ends — presumably 'results' here means election results, not policy results. Governments are a means of social change, not the end goal.

Minimising policy to get elected also limits their ability to enact change in government. That this isn't widely seen from the centre as a problem is worrying.

But equally, they'll inherit a shitshow so don't have much room for maneuver.

@villa-ru ^which plays into this messaging too — there's plenty of room for manoeuvre, but not after you've promised not to change very much.

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