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  • It’s happened again. Centrists heard a posh person speaking and immediately decided that person should be prime minister.

    Lol

    He will argue he had to vote in this way to get a ministerial position where he could effect change but it didn't really work out did it

    People seems obsessed with this type of argumentation at the moment. Counter-factual politics is the centrist's post truth politics. It's all about assigning intent to historic actions to whitewash the actual things people have done, or making claims for future actions with no evidence to back them up.

    Why is Kier a Sir? Not because he wanted to be, or he may be a royalist, or he likes the idea of power, or whatever (all perfectly reasonable things). It was because of the sun. They would have roasted him when he, ultimately, was going to run for PM.

    Why did Stewart vote those ways? Not because he's a Tory. It's because he had to in order to do the actually good things he wanted/wants to do.

    I guess it may go back to the cognitive dissonance stuff. If you develop opinions based on what people have actually done (or said they will do, only quickly to say they will do something else), you might not actually trust (or even like) them very much.

  • Why is Kier a Sir? Not because he wanted to be, or he may be a royalist, or he likes the idea of power, or whatever (all perfectly reasonable things). It was because of the sun. They would have roasted him when he, ultimately, was going to run for PM.

    Why did Stewart vote those ways? Not because he's a Tory. It's because he had to in order to do the actually good things he wanted/wants to do.

    Are you saying Starmer's title and Stewart's votes give us similar information about their intentions?

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