General Election 2024

No-one under 50 knows what ITV is

Have to confess, even I've stopped watching Coronation Street.

Exactly what I was thinking re the £2k, so I turned it off as I’ll wait for the analysis and fact checking after the event.

The hard of thinking will take that as gospel though unless it’s nipped in the bud with facts.

Feels a bit pointless for Labour for this debate to be pre-manifesto release. Tories can at least say they'll continue what they were doing.

Anyone up for a night ride on the 4th July

https://www.lfgss.com/microcosms/573/

Yes it's nonsense.

From The Guardian

“Sunak /Starmer - verdict so far
There is now an ad break.

And how are they doing?

In terms of getting his message over, Rishi Sunak is clearly doing best. He arrived determined to hammer away at one point – a very dubious claim about the potential costs of Labour plans, which has not received a lot of coverage since it was first made several weeks ago (even in rightwing papers) because it is based on dodgy costs – and he has repeated it so often that viewers must have got the point. Julie Etchingham has not pushed back on him about this, and Starmer has not challenged this as forcefully as he might have done.

It probably will not have much impact, because the evidence suggests voters are no longer listening to Sunak. But Starmer has let this allegation get more airtime than it deserved.

On the plus side, for Starmer, he is sounding calmer and more relaxed. Sunak started sounding tetchy after people laughted at him over waiting times. And Starmer has sounded more sympathetic to the questioners.”

I agree.

"what are you going to do?" ad infinitum.

That can stick.

Moderation of this is super weak

Ignoring ECHR ought to be framed with the post-Brexit chaos & mismanagement.

“You’ll like Clacton Ted, we can go to the pier”

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Dear god can they cut the mics if it's not their turn to respond.

The Sunak strategy is pretty clear here. Keep hammering the £2k.

https://x.com/nalaknip/status/1798096453232902148?t=WE6EX_KcfkeuDhVa2POP1Q&s=19

yougov saying sunak won debate

51% to 49%

He was laughed at 2-0 so that scans

But yes, a draw seems about right

It’s the cursed brexit ratio again!
51%!

That was a difficult hour of tv. Starmer seemed slightly taken aback by Sunak's level of bullshit and bullishness. He needs to do better to counter-attack that than just pull a mocking face, as half the audience won't realise Sunak's making shit up.

Somehow Sunak won overall, guess people love a bullshitter

Sunak definitely bullshitted but his gaslighting game was strong

Or 'won overall' isn't a very meaningful question?

I would take those numbers for Starmer.

They were both awful. A draw is "fair". Or, we all lost.

A draw doesn't do anything for Sunak.

Thankfully. But it also doesn't say much for starmer the super lawyer.

Although that's largely down to debates like this being fucking dumb.