General Election 2024

Sort of like when Corbyn sat down with the IRA after they'd tried to assassinate our defacto head of stage, and people post rationalise it as the being of the Good Friday Agreement?

He is reasoned though. Which is a significant step up from most of the party.

That wasn’t intended but it was intentional.

We can all do that with words.
Even Gove sounds fairly reasonable when interviewed, because voice, words used, etc.

I remember that guardian IDS interview from years ago which made him sound reasonable and impassioned to make change and reform benefits.
He did. He fucking broke it.

We don't all have a background that allows easy passage into the highest levels of the civil service.
I think we disagree on 'the wider good', I can't see evidence of him trying to create a greener, fairer, more equal world.
Lots of people spend their lives in the public sector without getting the chance to actually vote in parliament, and using that chance to "consistently vote against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices" seems like someone not in pursuit of anything good.
Imho anyway.

"But her emails!"

Agree on the Starmer point tho. He's a deeply ambitious man, so it would be odd to refuse such as visible public accolade.

You need something else.
What school did you go to?

It’s happened again. Centrists heard a posh person speaking and immediately decided that person should be prime minister.

I hope you are not suggesting me for PM

It's not simply a whataboutism point though. You've positioned it as a function of a centrist view point or argument.

I don't disagree with the general tenor of the point to some degree (although probably wouldn't use "counter-factual politics" as the term), but this is just the human instinct to impose a rational on a public figure based on your bias.

Lol

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Projected poll for London:

Brilliant.

Fair play to Madeley:

https://x.com/EddieBurfi/status/1795365893599560189

Unsurprisingly I don't want to talk about Corbyn or the IRA. Neither seem particularly relevant to the 2024 general election. BUT! Very quickly: His intentions were heavily discussed over many years before, during, and after his leadership. It is a topic deeply tied to his political beliefs. The left's relationship with - and support for - Irish independence isn't a secret. That's all to say, I'm not sure what your point is, but I don't really want to get into it. If you really want to, though, there's a thread for Corbyn somewhere. You can search for "magic grandpa" and I'm sure it'll pop right up.

The population of Oldham is 242k. 0.7% of that is ~ 1,700 people. It seems possible that some of these people would be relatively geographically concentrated and there would be streets where a relatively low percentage of people speak English.

The more effective approach with Farage is to challenge him on policy detail. He quickly melts under that kind of questioning.

Fair play to the SNP for getting they votes in london.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/03/labour-nec-to-confirm-diane-abbott-reselection-despite-lies-tweet

How many second chances does Abbott get?

I don't see voting record as the be all and end all.

For an MP, that's pretty much the only thing (other than for those in his constituency who may, on aggregate, be trivially affected by what he does outside of voting).

Why should we give a flying fuck about him as a family man, and author, or whatever else he fills his time with.

His votes affect almost 70 million people. That's about as wide as it gets, no?

MPSIA...

Does Kemi Badenoch not deserve any respect as the first elected black woman to be a member of the cabinet?

No she does not, because she was not. Valerie Amos was:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Amos,_Baroness_Amos

Edit: Sorry, Amos was not elected.

first elected black woman to be a member of the cabinet

Baroness Amos was the first black woman to be a member of the cabinet.

Kemi Badenoch was the first elected black woman to be a member of the cabinet.

Jesus imagine if Farage was your dad

Used to work with one son - he was a bit of a dick, but it wasn't easy for him, and I felt a bit sorry for him. He got many unsolicited calls from the press every single day, which he had to dead bat. Any time NF was on the news, people he barely knew would stop by his desk and presume the right to talk to him about it. There's a strong family resemblance, so he'd regularly get accosted by strangers in pubs.

/csb - He once got accosted by a drunk woman when we were in the pub, who had a rant at him and stormed off, leaving her friend all alone - we hooked up and I ended up living with her for a few years.

Met his other son as well - he'd left the country and effectively dropped out to get away from the issues of being Farage-spawn.

While a nice enough human bean, I still don't agree with a lot of his politics.

He seems like the kind of person who you can disagree with respectfully rather than have nutters shouting at each other.

Talking of nutters, that YouGov MRP poll yesterday has Priti Patel's Witham seat as too close to call.

#thoughtsandprayers

He might have been a bit of a dick, but he sounds like a great wingman.

Forgive me. Because she was appointed to cabinet?