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Personally I think it’s crazy that we’ve collectively bought into the idea that politicians abhorrent behaviour in their personal life is somehow not up for discussion and has no bearing on their professional life.

'Murica

A PBS NewsHour/NPR/Marist found that 67% of voters said a conviction
would make no difference for them in November’s presidential election.
Meanwhile, about 25% of Republicans said they would be even more
likely to vote for Donald Trump if he were found guilty.

You could infer the greater part of the 67% have already decided not to vote for him because they’ve known he’s a villain for years.

Personally I think it’s crazy that we’ve collectively bought into the idea that politicians abhorrent behaviour in their personal life is somehow not up for discussion and has no bearing on their professional life.

In my local politics a popular politician recently divorced his wife while she was still getting treatment for cancer. I think she was on the way to recovery, but not out of the woods yet. I wasn't going to vote for him in any case as he wasn't a Green Party candidate, but in general I thought he seemed like a decent enough guy until then.
So yeah, to me personally that made him fall a lot in my estimation, but at the same time.... if I thought that my society was at a precipice, and if I thought the idea of the "other guy" winning would mean four years of hell... I think I would have voted for him still.

No different to the musk fans/apologists

It was state criminal trials with a Single count having potential overlap into federal issues because of a peculiarity of the new York state legal code. From what i read.

I think it is still a bit abstract.
(I’m still only half clear what it’s about.)

If he was convicted of something more clear cut, like I dunno… murder.

I would expect that 67% to go down a bit… probably 65%?

…gossiping

Man dress...makes it manly. Also natty line in hats too.

Do find it hypocritical mentioning gay priest and forgetting supposed to be celibate. Seems a strange logic.

Anything else on the horizon for trump, other cases etc etc

How many convictions do MPs and house of lords members have?

Preach family values while paying sex workers

Trump just now:

If they can do this to me, then they can do this to anyone

... erm. Yes? That's the point of the law you fucking cockwomble.

Yeah the criminal case about classified documents, but he has a crooked Republican judge that he nominated on that one who is trying to drag it out as much as possible. Fortunately she doesn't seem very good at it because she's one of several extremely young judges with very little experience that Trump plopped in there with the help of some right wing think tank.

"Are you going to say anything new, Mr President?"
"It was a very rigged..."
"Guys, add a few more flags to the backdrop"

I reckon they have all the Stars and Stripes for ten city blocks in that foyer.

I haven’t watched him talk for a while.
Oh god, He’s such a waffler.

Do his followers even follow this ?

Do his followers even follow this ?

It's the constant repetition thing. It must be.

he has a crooked Republican judge that he nominated on that one who is trying to drag it out as much as possible. Fortunately she doesn't seem very good at it because she's one of several extremely young judges with very little experience

This turns out to be as much feature as bug - she's trying to stall it, and her ineptitude happily helps her:

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4681385-ty-cobb-aileen-cannon-donald-trump-classified-documents-case-delays-2024/

it's mostly a matter of shuffling around money in the wrong way to cover up a mistake he made in his personal life

That's one take on it. The other take is: the prosecution proved that his motivation for shuffling the money around was to improve his chances of winning the 2016 election, which he very narrowly did a few months later. So the money was not only in the wrong column, it was also undisclosed campaign finance. And if he'd filed it correctly as payment to a porn star who he fucked just after his wife gave birth to his son Barron, he might well have never been president.

C4 News put it more succinctly https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1796289412071850212
https://www.channel4.com/news/donald-trump-convicted-of-crime-after-unprecedented-trial

His conviction’s effect will be marginal.
Most Dems and Reps are entrenched lifetime one party voters no matter what.
This will only affect a small number of undecided voters.

He really is one of the worst examples of a human. Can't he just die?

Law that he broke.

He will. Question is how much damage he can do before.

I don't disagree for registered Dems and Goppers. Another poll...
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/17/poll-americans-independent-republican-democrat

Given the number of people who seem to believe Elvis lives, probably not

It is guys working in chipshops claiming to be Elvis.