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  • Agreed but a couple of headlines from the Daily Mail or Express on how dangerous the left is and a lot of those thinking of punishing the tories will jump back again.

    Yeah it's all about messaging and a kind of quiet radicalism, which does mean they need to be careful not to be too easily categorised as the traditional 20th century left. That's probably what Labour think they're doing, but I don't think they meet the threshold.

    It feels like there's a period of delivery needed from the left. Governing sensibly, no dramas, peoples lives starting to improve. With that underway, you earn the right to move into more radical policies.

    Definitely, although the difficult prospect for this is that a period of calm governance doesn't look likely to be able to increase living standards to a meaningful degree. It might just temper the decline in some of the worst parts of our economic lives, which as you say is preferable to this clusterfuck, but not sufficient either.

    Anyway, probably worth waiting for the manifesto at this point!

  • Definitely, although the difficult prospect for this is that a period of calm governance doesn't look likely to be able to increase living standards to a meaningful degree. It might just temper the decline in some of the worst parts of our economic lives, which as you say is preferable to this clusterfuck, but not sufficient either.

    A saying about not trying to eat the elephant whole comes to mind.

  • I don't disagree, but if you're locking half of the elephant in a cage along with the keys, you'll only ever eat one part of it

    (Edit: eating endangered animals obviously not advised…!)

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