That Starmer fella...

Like it or not though, Labour can't just ignore the immigration debate.

Corbyn's Labour was terrible at selling policy.

exactly, so it does matter how things are sold, that was my point.

When the sale works, it doesn't matter how it's done

disagree entirely with this. 🤮 optics do matter.

If anyone hasn’t read it, I highly recommend The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt. It helps put a lot of this ‘appealing to the right’ stuff into context.

yeah I'm in the safest of labour seats so it's greens or nothing for me tbh, I think they're probably less terfy now then they were a few years ago

I was thinking in the longer term tbh

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enjoyed this

What secure borders mean to you and other "sensible" people, and to the people who this is appealing to is likely to mean VERY different things. Both that term and the flag are massive dog whistles here.

Is there anything Labour could say or do that would make you happy?

https://www.lfgss.com/comments/17232232/

on occasion, yeah

oh good, just what I need MORE books to read 😉

thanks for the rec.

What secure borders mean to you and other "sensible" people, and to the people who this is appealing to is likely to mean VERY different things.

Yeah, that's what I hope is the point of this kinda shit. Whistle to the bad dogs whilst actually doing something positive. It relies a bit on the bad dogs not actually paying attention to details and the good bois reading past the initial marketing, which is usually the case.
It's not the ideal, but it's positive if it works and isn't technically bad.

Fwiw I listened to some polling guy on one of my postcasts the other day, and they said that in the UK opinions on controlling immigration weren't indicators for other views.

Eg someone pro controlling immigration could as easily be a non-racist economically left person, as a red faced Kentish man.

I know it's not what everyone here is getting at, but interestingly (for me at least) this is will the first election where immigration policy has been a consideration for me personally.

It's not a massive driver, and I'd want the pricks out anyway. But the Tory and HO's total clusterfuck of an immigration policy and it's implementation really lands. The intention cruelty, the ludicrousness, the cost!

Seriously, how are we spunking so much money on not processing people?

and that's why Corbyn's Labour did so well at two general elections.

Ah but you see he was unelectable so it was perfectly fine for people to criticise ad-nauseum, but now you just have to grin and bear it for the good of the centrist dads country

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I see he's done another transphobia.

cool guy. cooooool guy.

voting. with Shorty. leisurewear. moisturised. in my lane. focused. flourishing.

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I'm getting Stringer Bell season 3 vibes.

A bonded warehouse and accounts fully laundered offshore by a pukka law firm.

^ some 10/10 comments

Streeting, are you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?

The fish rots from the head.

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Or it's some sort of unaligned trouble maker

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Surely Labour members draw the line at Natalie Elphicke????

https://www.lfgss.com/comments/17351756/

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Dunno .. I think its clever pre-election strategy. Bring them in and let them rot in meaningless role IF they even win the seat. Bringing Farage in would give Labour 80 points poll lead.

Elphicke thing is especially good substance-less gesture to the gammon swing voters.

I don't think most people know who she is, or how awful, but they will hear about a Tory MP going to Labour and note that and a few choice quotes about the Tories being useless.