• Understood, I presumed this might be a good way to get Reynolds/Columbus tubing and lugs relatively cheap. Will keep in mind for future, thanks. Embarking on learning something new it often feels like the hardest part is actually starting, getting your head around the basics. Thanks for creating this thread initially too!

  • Ceeway sell cheap tubing and cheap pressed steel (rather than investment cast) lugs for practising with. Details at the bottom of this page.

  • I've never gotten a tube out of a lug in usable condition. I usually cut it off close to the lug and end up sort of peeling the tube off the inside of the lug. So you'd have to shorten the tubes and that might put you into the butts.

    I have been able to clean lugs up to insert new tubes but again, that's a fair bit of work so I'd only bother where it's to repair a frame.

    I have a note of some prices from Ceeway, a plain guage 25.4mm top tube was £4.50 +vat, that might have been a wee while ago but more recently a bb shell with 22mm round chainstay ports (no 832 on page 2 of bb shells) was £5.40 +vat.

    Infact, here's the quote that Peter gave me for a load of 'practice' bits and bobs. I did actually build a frame out of some of these bits and ride it for a good while contrary to Peter's advice!

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