Russian invasion of Ukraine

I’m going to have one just go…..

The important numbers are the manufacturing capacity of artillery shells,

This your answer to me defending your assertion NATO would loose to Russia in a shooting war. We would have no interest in Artillery duels and
not true if your tubes wear out or are destroyed by aircraft.

Glide bombs-what is their range compared to a BVRAAM like meteor. Shoot the Archer not the Arrow

F16 vs S-400 have the Russians really been firing blank rockets in order to find out their range? Really?! If their level of engineering is this low how did they put a man in space? Working out the range of rockets is first year degree stuff ( my son is doing an engineering degree it’s in his first year).

NickH next time you are in the Spoons and someone tells you this bollocks have a bit of a think.

Oh and check how long it takes to learn Ukrainian and train as a “Combat Medic”……..

What is your training and skill set? Perhaps you could find a more suitable role.

Perhaps you could find a more suitable role.

I'm sure the Ukrainians could use someone with internet troll expertise.

You called?

This is a job for the sex pest, Shirley? While Putin's mob are busy putting him on ignore the Ukrainians can slip though undetected. N'est-ce pas?

your assertion NATO would loose to Russia in a shooting war

I didn't say that. What I said was "Russia's supply of weapons and recruits is several times what Ukraine has. The US and Europe could not match it". It would help if you could read and understand a post before replying to it.

There's no point engaging with him, he's a troll/grade A moron. Best just putting on ignore and forgetting he exists.

For someone who's got me on ignore you seem to spend rather a lot of time studying my posts.

There's no point engaging with him, he's a troll/grade A moron. Best just putting on ignore and forgetting he exists.

Show a bit of respect - he'd be in a war if it wasn't for those darned bone spurs...

Pro-putin because I don’t want to start a third world war?

Pro-Putin because you are arguing for giving in to his nuclear sabre-rattling. Which is exactly what he wants. Even if you hate him, appeasing him is helping him.

F16 vs S-400 have the Russians really been firing blank rockets in order to find out their range? Really?!

Feel free to look into it. Perhaps they were testing a new missile spec. As I'm sure you know, their missile manufacturing has had to adapt to sanctions. They've been substituting Chinese components for Western ones.

AA missiles: Patriot missiles cost about $4m each. Ukraine doesn't have many left. According to Vance, Ukraine has asked for thousands of missiles per year. The US can make 550, or 650 if production is increased. But the US wants a large number for its own use. (The Iran attack last night may have needed 250.) Ukraine has other advanced AA systems, notably the Norwegian NASAMS, but it's safe to say that nobody has a big production line for the missiles.

Aren’t they using Hawk, S300 launchers etc to complement the patriot system?

Yeah, don't think @nick_h. is a troll. Gloomy, probably realist, maybe pessimist even but not a troll.

And his point about being afraid of ww3 / nuclear war is just following Putin's narrative is spot on.

The only diplomacy Russians understand is a punch in the face kind of diplomacy.

NATO should've done this to them immediately when the full scale invasion started.

Did laugh

Hate to be gloomy, but I think Ukraine's defeat is inevitable. Russia's supply of weapons and recruits is several times what Ukraine has. The US and Europe could not match it, even if they wanted to.

And I showed you a reputable source that shows you are wrong.
That is wrong in simple numbers you are doubly wrong if you add in the quality vs quantity argument that won the Cold War

Feel free to look into it. Perhaps they were testing a new missile spec. As I'm sure you know, their missile manufacturing has had to adapt to sanctions. They've been substituting Chinese components for Western ones.

Can you put me in touch with anyone in Russian weapons development? On second thoughts don’t worry id hate to disturb them whilst they were firing a million rouble rocket deep into enemy territory in time of war without shoving £20 worth of HE in the nose.

I didn't say that. What I said was "Russia's supply of weapons and recruits is several times what Ukraine has. The US and Europe could not match it". It would help if you could read and understand a post before replying to it.

Oh and who would win in a shooting war is a pretty good measure of how capabilities match.

Your source is completely irrelevant! Your stats don't even mention artillery or shells or even Ukraine! They're mainly about aircraft numbers! You haven't even read your link, have you?

The shell shortage has been been one of the main Ukraine stories in the papers for months. Search for 'Ukraine Shell Shortage' at Google News - there are almost 1000 results.

It's not hard to research this. You start by finding the reputable defence analysts on twitter. You tell them about the quote in Politico and ask what they think. As you're not a journalist you have to be extra patient and respectful to get anywhere. But this is such an interesting question for a defence analyst that you'd probably get some replies. All the analysts need to study the introduction of the F16s. If they haven't seen the quote in Politico they'd be grateful to you for drawing their attention to it.

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Hate to be gloomy, but I think Ukraine's defeat is inevitable. Russia's supply of weapons and recruits is several times what Ukraine has. The US and Europe could not match it, even if they wanted to.

You didn’t mention Artillery either, but if you think just numbers of guns is the only thing yes Russia will take over the world. And the Somme was an amazing success

you have to be extra patient and respectful to get anywhere

And that’s precisely where your skills lie.

I'm sorry if that very brief post was ambiguous. I explained in full with post #4854.

I only have 2 people on ignore and I’m on post 4624.

Thank you, Velocio, for saving me from 230 posts of their bullshit.

I was thinking the same. I have one on ignore and am on 4637

Sorry again! It was 4584.

a punch in the face kind of diplomacy

Aka Schoolyard diplomacy. If the environment doesn’t provide sufficient pressure (countries keep trading with Russia), and there’s no overseeing deus ex machina to enforce order (no major militaries are willing to go fight Russia), each participant has to fend off aggression for themselves (like Ukraine) or risk increasingly negative consequences (like the Baltics).

Sometimes violence is the answer, and psychopaths like Putin love that the civilised world is loath to resort to it, because everything else he can brush off.