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100% agree. On road applies too. On the Twin, when it the rear kicks, I have mad respect for those who ride big CC on the limit and dance with the rear.
@Jung Never thought this was a 'thing' till I hit the deck a few times, then its a completely alternate learning curve to what I had when starting out. Incremental leaps that don't teach you to how to be pro, but how to push your own personal limits. Never you against the clock or the speedo, but you against terrain.
Of all the facets of riding that still pucker my arsehole to the limit, it's on the limit braking. There's progression like other aspects of riding, but proper on track scared me, and it was a leaning experience for the road.@Ramsaye I'd go as far as rescinding what I said as I agree with the skilled rider aspect. I saw someone emergency endo in the rain the other day at Dalston junction. I was in awe.
@konastab01 I'm afraid that you're part of a very niche segment of rider and that doesn't apply to most. It's you VS your environment vs you and other road users/infrastructure.
@lynx Hitting road furniture is correlation, not causation in regards to ABS effectiveness.
None of us have to like it, but ABS works faster than the majority of us can when it comes to real world usage. End of. We have so much stimulus, so much engaging our brain, that when the one moment we might have to go full fist, we might not be thinking about progressive braking including thinking time.
Mechanical complexities aside, ABS has been proven to be good at one thing on road and one thing only. Giving users an extra redundancy when panic occurs.,By the way, none of my bikes have ABS. @PhilDAS knows what's up.
TL:DR ABS IS GREAT BECAUSE WE'RE HUMANS AND WE PANIC.
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I'm just chatting, also I'm talking about me. I have removed brake servos from cars (older cars as it caused over braking for me)
Don't get me wrong, I think I just like cars from the 50-90s of weird and wonderful. Recent discussion on Facebook about Volvo 3 series and I enjoyed the light steering bit others telling me I'm wrong.
Part of me feels that we are forgetting that we learn to pass a test then learn to drive. Having driven hgv too abs doesn't help much as at that point you are aiming where does the least damage
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Getting on the gas always made me pucker more than braking on the track. I only ever highsided once (Clearways at BH) but it was definitely a formative experience.
I can get a bit of good smokey sideways action on my XR, on old, full knobblies on the street but even putting shitty trailwings on it a couple of years ago made it so much trickier to unstick the rear, and way lairier when it did let go.
I absolutely love steering with the rear on the dirt. It's one of the best, most fun things that you can do on a bike and certainly does help you relax through the odd unexpected slip on the road. Ain't going to turn you into Randy Mamola on a GSXR though....
lynx
Jung
Gotta say learning what a front tyre skid feels like and then learning to consistently control it has to be one of the most difficult parts of dirt riding. You just never want to lose traction when braking, and on the green lanes it’s a constant.
I still haven’t done a track day, but I have felt the rear step out enough times on the road to keep me honest. Massive respect for people who can control that and exploit it.