Should vegans use shimano?

Hook, line and sinker.

ooof puns I expect Oliver will be along any moment

What a load of codswallop

https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/130867/

You’re breaking up.
Why is there no CB thread on here?

Shimano make fishing reels = Bad

Gaerne who make leather boots = good because discount on wiggle.

Least we know where the line is. It’s where discount is added.

Up to 32% off Shimano fishing reels at Angling Direct though...

Indexed click bait

This is weird in the sense that there’s logic to this, but the reality is that most people who fish are concerned by preserving the environment and want rivers to be a good place where wildlife thrives.

There is cruelty in fishing for sure. It’s also undeniable that those that fish want there to be more fish and the best habitat possible for the fish.

Not a vegan, have tried being a vegan, have also tried fishing a few times. Very few fish were harmed

Yeah. On that note, this is a good watch on how fishing can help fish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVy3rXeLIRI

no amount of sustainable accreditation is going to persuade me to buy a product made in china

Do you honestly believe nothing you buy at the very least contains Chinese-made parts, components or materials?

There’s an awful lot of this going on in the thread

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Hmm, buy a camel, but not one made in china obvs -

That was a lovely thing to watch. Took me back to the most influential angler I ever met. I used to do a lot of fishing, and learned all sorts of techniques from some of the most famous anglers of the time. I even made all my own rods including a couple from split cane.
But the guy I learned the most from never had a hook on his line.

I'm not questioning the OP's wish to make ethical choices. I' m simply doubting the possibility of completely avoiding Chinese-made products, as implied in the sentence quoted.

I didn’t mean to @lolo when I replied to the thread

Fish are the animals it's ok to mistreat I guess.
Imagine catching birds with hooks, then just releasing them to fly away after taking a quick snap for your WhatsApp.

Bravo

Brilliant.

In the early 1970s the river Darent nearly ran dry because of excessive abstraction and drought. A group of 30 environmentalists took on the water board of the time and forced the closure of the boreholes which were depleting the aquifer. The silt and invasive alien weeds were removed leaving clean gravel and restoring flow, indigenous weeds were then planted. The banks were worked to recreate the original meanders and an agreement was forged with the farmers to preserve the surrounding water meadows. This has created a thriving river, full of invertebrates (many rare), fish and their predators (including generations of Kingfishers which have nested for the last 30 years).

These environmentalists are a fishing club, I am a member. The work is ongoing. If anyone wants to tell me that 40 years of my life is morally wrong, tell everyone about what you have achieved, not about what you have given up.

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@wynne - so, basically, you asked a perfectly sensible, reasonable ethical question - as someone who makes life decisions based on the treatment/abuse of animals, should I avoid patronising a company a large proportion of whose profits come from weirdos who spend their weekend torturing animals for fun? It's a sensible question which deserves reasoned discussion.

The mistake you made was asking the main forum of LFGSS, who basically spend most of their time shopping and see themselves as being attacked if they are asked anything that involves any sort of thinking about principles or ethics. It just takes one cunt to be a cunt and the dogpile starts - that keeps them in their comfortable, unchallenged place. It's just the 'bacon sandwich, lol' brigade thinking they're being a bit more clever.

If you'd posted the question in the Vegan Thread, you'd have probably got some reasoned discussion on the ethics of the companies you buy from. But you put it in the main forum, and cunts gonna cunt...

Has this been rissoled yet?

If this had been posted in the vegan thread it would merely have entered an echo chamber. I certainly wouldn't have read it as my ethics are clearly different and I have no business on that thread, whose ethics I disagree with but don't criticise. Presuming you read my last post before you typed, I must be cunt in chief. I don't fling abuse at anyone and hope the view from your moral higher ground is glorious.

Nice. I live on The Kern River - like 50 metres away from it - and the local fly fishing school, whitewater rafting companies and private boaters (kayaks) do more for the river than the state of California ever has. All they did was dam it 🤦

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