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  • What's it like for apps that don't like rooted phones? I remember in the past, stuff like banking apps and some streaming ones refused to work on rooted stuff.

  • Haven't yet found an app that doesn't work, except for a single one that was documented in advance.

    Not working:

    • Google Pay, as Google will not approve in their allowlist a pure OSS Android for Pay, and whilst Graphene could trivially lie and masquerade as another device for Google Pay they will not do so out of principle.

    Working:

    • Wallet, but only for passes, vouchers, coupons, flights, etc... and not Pay
    • Barclaycard
    • Amex
    • Monzo
    • Carta
    • Starling
    • PayPal
    • Wise

    those are just the ones I've installed... I set up the new device whilst having the old device (a Pixel 6) next to me... if I'd found anything that didn't work and that was important to me, I would've stopped and rolled back, re-installed the Google flavour of Android, and started afresh.

    but I've not found a single thing that didn't work, that I didn't already know wouldn't work.

    what I knew would not work: Pay, Assistant (and most of the small AI things as a result)... and then contextually, Camera AI that involves networking (which is things like Magic Eraser, and I never used this)

    so really my only loss is Google Pay... but I'm 100% happy with this as Google have positioned themselves as a Level 3 transaction provider ( https://www.tidalcommerce.com/learn/what-is-level-3-data ) which means that using Google Pay is providing them with an incredible amount of data on your spending habits, which they can use for marketing as Level 3 provides enough information to fully de-anonymise and associate to marketing profiles. I am, very intentionally, going back to using cards directly and not using a phone as a payment device.

    On Google apps, I have installed Gmail (for work), Camera (for the on-device improvements), Photos (without network access for a nice on-device gallery), Maps (as it's still very nice), Calendar (for the nice widget)... so it's not like I have totally de-Googled, but I've put everything in nice sandboxes.

    it's only been a few days, but predicted battery life is around 2.5 days, I only have 2 background apps running: Gms Compatibility (provides an abstraction to allow Google apps to think they're on a Google device), and Syncthing.

  • Interesting cheers. Looks a lot different than when I last rooted a phone and loads of stuff refused to work. I'd be keen to see if it improved the battery life for my Pixel 6 but the inability (so far as I'm aware) to just make a full backup and restore everyything to what it currently is if things don't work make me suspect I may not get round to it.

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