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  • Don’t be ridiculous.

    “Man in democracy stops voting for party I like” is no reason for comments like that.

  • “Man in democracy stops voting for party I like” is no reason for comments like that.

    That's true. But Owen Jones' astonishing hypocrisy on this issue would certainly be a justification imo.

    It's great that OJ is so pissed off about the bombings in Israel. Rightous fury. But when Andrew Murray and Seamus Milne were in charge of the Labour Party, and defended/minimised/denied Russia's war crimes in Syria, chemical attacks, indiscriminate bombings, easily the equal of what's happening in Israel - he didn't say a fucking word. Why? Because his ideological allies didn't want him to.

    I've no problem with anyone not voting for anyone - no party owes them a vote. But for OJ to pose as though this is some kind of unique moral principle being breached by Starmer is hypocrisy and it's bullshit and he can fuck all the way off.

  • he didn't say a fucking word. Why? Because his ideological allies didn't want him to.

    Saying nothing is suspect, yes, but does not provide evidence of actively backing a state committing war crimes.

    Starmer has, and that does sound more like breaching a unique moral principle to me, particularly when it’s coming from an elected representative.

  • So forgetting Owen Jones - do you think this is all smart politics and Starmer will unveil some progressive policies when he's in power?
    I'm a (naive) optimist but no one I know seems as optimistic as me!

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