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Just a head up, Sonder geometry is very MTB-like rather than touring, meaning it got quite a slow but steady steering unladen.
It’s great fun off road, very stable and sensible on road, enough clearance for 2.1 650b, reckon 700 x 50 is fine.
I really hate the cable routing on the headtube which make it tricky with a bar bag.
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I know it's quite dirt and touring orientated, but would like to use it for a lot of road miles as well, currently riding Sutra LTD with 445 mmchainstays, 80 mm stem and 71 HA and is fine generally (not the most agile of course), wondering if even shorter stem with 69 HA will not be too cumbersome on tarmac. What do you think about it?
Otherwise it will be at least 2 kg drop on frameset so would be much lighter bike, the only downside is lack of front fork drilling, so I would have to locate my dynamo light somewhere around the handlebar.
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Anybody with experience on current gen Sonder Camino, preferably Ti? I am considering to replace my 2019 Sutra LTD with it as a do-it-all bike. For now most of the time it would be 700x42-45 with full fenders for kid trailer towing duties, later on maybe second wheelset with 27.5x2.2 for more gnarly rides.
Sutra has better tyre clearance, but its high standover (just about 0.8 inches less than my standover) is causing me trouble in more gnarly terrain, I believe dropper routing, longer reach and slacker front would also benefit me. I would also like to drop some weight of boat anchor Kona tubing, so I could use it just as well on road ultraendurance events with a tyre swap.
I have recently built a nice dynamo wheelset with UR705/DT350 and XM421, so I would move it on. I can buy Sonder with 2x11 mechanical GRX, Sutra is Rival 1 + GX Eagle mullet with Ratio kit, unfortunately I would have to at least replace the derailleur to move it to Sonder, as front cable exit version of ratio kit seems not to be compatible with internal routing.