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  • That's great.
    We've just had the massively shit LTN in Steratham binned because of the carnage it caused everywhere else. While broadly in favour of them, this was the worst planned fiasco I've seen and made cycling and public transport 100x more shit during its brief existence.

  • See here:

    https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/353238/

    Can you say what aspects you thought were wrong with it specifically? I don't know the area all that well and can only assume the usual mistakes were made (that are made almost all the time when people try to filter areas who haven't thought about how), but it would be interesting to hear about specific issues.

  • While broadly in favour of them, this was the worst planned fiasco

    Same. Still sad it has gone though. Selfishly, it made my journey along Norbury Park, Streatham Common and Valley Road much more enjoyable. I hope they are able to re-instate something soon. Car usage in South London is out of control. And I say that as a car owner. That needs to be addressed before trying the kind of LTN they tried in Streatham Wells. Or suck it up and force peoples' hands by making driving the least convenient option (or even less convenient). There's a mentality in the suburbs that you can just jump in the car and expect to get where you need to go unhindered. Anyone who tells you otherwise is seen as a loon. Two thirds of households in Croydon and only a third of households in Lambeth own a car. A third of journeys in London by car are less than 2km. Only 20% of journeys are made for work. That is disgusting.

    While the LTNs don't help (in the short term) when implemented as badly as in SW, it's the sheer number of unnecessary, single occupant journeys. But no one wants to hear that. I have been traveling from Thornton Heath to Streatham Wells (Gleneldon Road initially and now Sunnyhill Primary) and back, twice a day for nearly 4 years now. The traffic on the A23 has always been shit. Long before the LTN that 6 mile journey by car could take up to 90 minutes and was a big factor in me getting a cargo bike. People will campaign and physically go out and protest about anything that impinges on their "driving freedom", citing poor public transport (try getting a bus in Northern Ireland), lack of safe cycling infrastructure etc. But you won't see the same people out protesting for better and safer buses and trains, more cycle lanes etc.

    @Oliver Schick my view is that it was maybe too broad and unfortunately coincided with a number of unplanned road works, particularly on Leigham Court Road which compounded some of the tailbacks. All of the traffic that would have used Valley Road to bypass the High Road, was all of a sudden dumped back onto the High Road. They need to find another way for Valley Road to not be the default rat run to avoid the High Road. I don't know the best way to do that and I imagine it's why they had to make it so broad as there are a lot of interconnecting roads.

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