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It seems that her citizenship was stripped under the following:

Under the 1981 British Nationality Act, a person can be deprived of their citizenship if the home secretary is satisfied it would be "conducive to the public good" and they would not become stateless as a result.

So, we could strip Boris of his citizenship if some subsequent Home Secretary thinks it would be conducive to the public good. Javid himself, if he's entitled to Pakistani citizenship by descent. Any Jew can be sent off to Israel. Any person born/with parents born in NI (this includes me).

This seems pretty ridiculous

If a Brit joins the French Foreign Legion, or any other foreign army, they would be committing a crime but it's punishable by fines and imprisonment.

Think this only applies if they join the forces of an unfriendly state fighting a friendly state.

I don't think so. There were suggestions that Brits joining the Ukraine armed forces were committing an illegal act (after Liz Truss suggested it was a good idea) but I guess there's a consideration whether it's in the public interest to prosecute

Declaring someone has citizenship by descent from wherever their parents or grandparents were born so should leave their current place where they are legally settled is terrifying.

Mayotte has entered the chat
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68292604

there are hundreds of men walking the streets of the UK right now who actually fought and killed for IS who have come back and been prosecuted (or not).

Do you have a source you can share?

-adding, found at least one lead, no official source though I didn’t look for very long https://www.ibanet.org/article/518E56A1-801D-4118-A47F-385D7EB9FCE4#:~:text=About%20400%20individuals%20'of%20national,to%20UK%20Home%20Office%20figures.

This seems pretty ridiculous

Agreed. I'd never seen the statute until skimming the judgement today. Obviously I don't have a detailed knowledge of all the criteria, but it seems like a seriously low bar.

When this originally kicked off, out of the two people I worked with most in favour, one was 2nd gen Greek Cypriot, the other 2nd gen Irish-Italian.

So, we could strip Boris of his citizenship if some subsequent Home Secretary thinks it would be conducive to the public good.

God willing.

425 as of 2017 - which was then the highest number of any European country:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isis-british-jihadis-return-uk-iraq-syria-report-islamic-state-fighters-europe-threat-debate-terror-attacks-a8017811.html

Thank you for this

It seems obvious though that you’re more likely to be stripped of British citizenship if you are doing something naughty internationally.

You could be a horrendous serial killer, but they wouldn’t revoke your citizenship if you were born in and had never left Birmingham.

Been giving this some thought, after reading all the well thought out posts, and can see how being indoctrinated would make her interview in the way she did.

So I take back what I typed - no excuse but it wasn’t a good day for me!

But I do think I understand why the decision was made - she’s clearly seen as a security risk (intelligence and I doubt the interview and other comms with her have helped unless she’s had some better advice from a legal professional) and I guess the Bangladeshi dual citizenship (if I’ve understood correctly) makes it easier for the HO to revoke the British citizenship.

I’m genuinely staggered at the fact that there are so many returning IS fighters cutting about in the UK. That seems at odds with the Begum decision and I can’t believe they are not also seen as security risks. But I guess there is intelligence which we have absolutely no view of?

An estimated 1.26 million biking trips are now made every day in the capital — a 6.2% increase on 2022 and up 20% since 2019

https://twitter.com/APPGCW/status/1761038040296804799

Amsterdam's 700k bike trips a day and a tenth the size of London so according to my maths to match 'dam we need cyclists who are FIVE TIMES bigger.

I had this procedure last year. The Nurse warned me I might gag and even puke a bit when she pulled the sponge out. She was not joking 😂

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/26/sponge-on-a-string-reduces-long-waits-for-diagnostic-test-for-cancer

That’s the budget for NHS testing in 2024.

Looks like the kind of procedure Tory MPs would queue up for.

Still if the outcomes are good I'm all for it being on the NHS.

Something doesn’t seem right here

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/cycling-london-helmet-camera-mobile-phone-driver-dave-clifton-b1141159.html

Looks like the Met are calling out the cyclist for swerving into the path of the motorbike/scooter as they try and get a better look at the law breaking Range Rover driver.
Fair play, could have caused a crash.

Seeing others doing wrong and seeking to gather further evidence does not give you entitlement to create a hazard for other road users.

we need cyclists who are FIVE TIMES bigger.

You called?

#hippyisfat

The judge should not have made such a leading and suggestive statement, it’s all appalling. I wish the ways things worked was this: that Begum could rock up at a police station and say ‘i’ve been abused while i was in this country and this led me to being abused abroad’ then, i wish, that the police were forced to investigate this in the same way that, in theory, if anyone came forward about a historical abuse you should be helped. then, i wish, that these proceedings took precedence over everything else and that all following investigations and allegations by the state took place in light of the investigations into her own allegations of abuse and that her rights as a citizen were upheld through their attachment to her status at the time of her abuse, regardless of how old that now is. i’m not a lawyer but i would be arguing this if i was.
I also want to say that the actual lawyer that Begum is represented by is my new absolute hero and I want an image of her on a t-shirt. she also did justice for De Menezes and the miners wrongfully convicted of riot after Orgreve. Two fingers up at the tories.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/shamima-begum-shouldnt-have-lost-her-british-citizenship/

I am guessing that’s the JRM article? (Haven’t clicked and assume its paywalled anyway)

I seem to recall him actually stating at the time she shouldn’t have lost her citizenship (?). I think his reasoning back then included that She was a child when she was groomed by those who brought her away to be married off. I am at least surprised by his reported consistency on this one.

You think I pay to read the Spectator? I spend my spare cash on Tommy Robinson figurines, thank you very much.
It's a very good, cogent, rational piece. Which, rather than making JRM look better, makes him look worse as the rest of the drivel he comes out with he obviously knows to be nonsense.

assume its paywalled anyway

You are correct, so he clearly is a Spectator subscriber.

assume its paywalled anyway

Like nearly every paper and magazine in the world the paywall can be breached at https://archive.ph/

Archive version: https://archive.is/bUY4d

The problem is LFGSS makes it difficult to copy links as it:

• replaces the link with one on the microcosm.app shortener
  
• adds non-printable characters to the displayed version of the link which makes it tricky to copy-and-paste into a browser (or site like archive.is)
  
  

I think Velocio would be open to alternative solutions that avoids these problems, but there hasn't been one suggested that was to their satisfaction...