The fall of the Tory party

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  • The cognitive dissonance between

    "Civil servants are lazy, resistant to change and a waste of money"

    And

    "There is a huge highly organised deep state that manage to maintain utter secrecy"

    The mental gymnastics must be exhausting

  • The mental gymnastics must be exhausting

    They lack the intelligence for mental gymnastics. They're just saying shit in the hope that they get paid.

  • A different approach to debunking conspiracy theories

    I love this video.

    https://youtu.be/s1Jt0IR4bWg?si=iZqTPsSkk6-8ueVL

  • Polls approaching extinction-event levels

    This would mean less than 50 Tory MPs


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  • Labour Might as well put proportional representation in the manifesto at this rate.

  • This is a great illustration of a point I always make. Irl people regularly tell "just one person" a secret, so how would any last.

    That said there's that classic e.g. of beliefs in contradictory conspiracy theories of Princess Diana being murdered and faking her own death.

  • While the polls will likely narrow during the election campaign, if Labour were to win such a massive majority (which Electoral Calculus currently has at 284) I think there would be serious risk of the party cleaving in two.

    Looking at the way the Tories have fallen prey to right-wing factions which certainly outweigh the Conservative working majority of 55, or casting further back (and closer to home) to the fractiousness of Labour under Corbyn (with Change UK etc), it is not hard to imagine that after such a stomping victory many members would want to take advantage of situation, while a cautious Starmer attempts to reign them in.

    Existing MPs with Corbynite-views - presently suppressed or otherwise - would begin agitating for strident left policy, while Starmer, old Blairites, and a swathe of new Labour MPs selected by Starmer's party machinery remain congregated around the center ground. The most leftward leaning would begin by disrupting centrist policy making before eventually deciding that Starmer's Labour does not represent their views and breaking away, leaving a centrist Labour rump, and renaming themselves 'the Real Labour Party' (but only because 'Socialist Party' is already taken).

  • I've been thinking this too.

    He might be a good enough leader to get through the election (or the tories are just that bad)... but I don't think he will be able to hold back labours self destructive tendencies post victory.

  • I think they've been fairly controlling in terms of candidate selection for this reason.

    I think the polls could get worse for the Tories once the election is called. Sunak is dreadful every time he interacts with a normal human, even worse than Theresa May. He won't be able to hide like Boris did as he's behind.

  • Thanks Mark Harper, cunt
    Why not do as much damage as you can before we say fuckity-bye to you and your band of fuckers, because this is your legacy you fuck;

    “A high court judge has ruled to allow the £1.7bn Stonehenge tunnel”

  • Labour really ought to announce that any funding decisions made by this incoherent government will be put on hold on the day after the General Election.

  • As long as we have a first-past-the-post electoral system, there is no sense in factions within a broad church party striking out on their own.

    The Tories will tear themselves apart after the election, but that's because they've become UKIP in all but name, and the more traditional, one-nation Tories, who've facilitated this, will realise they need to quit when a(nother) headbanger like Badenoch or Braverman is elected leader.

  • Nah. The tories would just start spouting mad shit like tripling the NHS budget and giving all school children free milk again.

    That way Labour would be the bad guys when they have to cancel it all.

  • Mad Lizzy is a Labour asset.

    Hey kids! Look at the Crazy Economy Lady in the tory attic, she wants to be Prime Minister.

    Frighten anyone off. sunak must be feelin blessed.

  • Have you seen anyone of those 40Hospitals a confirmed liar promised before the 2019GE?

  • I was wondering the same thing just yesterday.

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  • Oh of course. I just mean they will turn it into a strategy to beat Labour with.

    It's the reason Labour have so vague for the last year. Giving them no ammunition

  • If we don't have a may election it might get to the point where getting rid of sunak is worth the risk for Tory mps

  • Only the most deluded of Tory MPs seriously think that getting rid of Sunak will benefit them electorally. Which might be a majority.

    Any serious leadership candidate won't run in a subsequent election, as no-one wants to be in charge when they get kicked out by an electorate who have had enough of them. So they'll probably end up with Liz Truss again.

  • Christ I hope this a parody/fake:

    Liz Truss, "In Britain we only have 100 political appointees.. None of them run gov departments.. Every gov dept, every agency is a permanent civil servant"

    Steve Bannon, "How can Britain be saved?"

    LT, "We need to change that.. When I got into No 10, I thought I got to the top of the tree and could implement policies"

    SB, "You thought you'd become like Churchill and change the country?"

    LT, "Exactly.. And what I discovered, I was not holding the levers.. The levers were held by the Bank of England, the Office of Budget Responsibility, they weren't held by the Prime Minister, or the Chancellor"

    SB, "Are you a conspiracy theory person? You almost sound like warroom, your'e MAGA"

    LT, "If the Bank of England governor can't be sacked and the Prime Minister can be sacked, then the BoE will have more power than the PM. That is a problem in a democracy"

    "The left have infiltrated our campuses, infiltrating our schools, our corporations. It's not enought to take the White House, it's not enough to take the Senate. You've got to change a hell of a lot of what's going on in our countries"

    "Rather than pursing making money and hiring people, British corporations are pursuing woke-economics"

    SB, "We have a Trump who is an armour piecing shell and we're developing a cadre of millions of people.. Our movement is getting more mature"

    LT, "We need a cadre of people who are prepared to serve, we need Conservatives who are prepared to fight, and we need grass roots people who will back real Conservatives, and put real pressure on Conservative MPs to be Conservative"

    "We've got a massive problem with immigration in Britain but we cannot deport immigrants because the left is fighting us in the courts. So we need Conservatives who are prepared to overturn that"

    SB, "Nigel Farage said you're going to have a radical Islamic party have seats in the next election. Is that true?"

    LT, "There's going to be a by-election in the next few weeks and there could be a radical Islamic party win in that byelection"

    SB, "You're saying an Islamic radical party in a couple of weeks.. Is it one of these midland urban areas?"

    LT, "Rochdale"

    SB, "The one that had the rape situation, the grooming? In that community you may have a radical jihadist party send someone to the House of Commons?"

    LT, "That is correct"

    SB, "How are you going to save a country with that chain of events?"

    LT, "The vast majority of Britons don't want this to happen. They don't want to be a country that is subject to Islamic terrorism. A country that backs Hamas. We have to reflect the people of Britain's views. That's why we need to take on these extreme leftists"

    "We haven't done enough to crack down on the pro Hamas marches. We haven't done enough to crack down on environmental extremists. You can't triangulate with terrorists, you've got to take them on"

    SB, "I really feel for the UK"

    LT, "We're going to save it.. My book is about telling the people the truth about what's going on in Britain, why things aren't working"

    SB, "Is she tough enough to turn Britain around?"

    LT, "I need a few more friends to be frank, I need a few more people to help me.. Steve if you could come over to Britain"

    SB, "I may be banned in Britain"

    LT, "Would you work with Nigel Farage to restructure the Tory party?"

    SB, "I will work with whoever it takes to make our country successful.. And Nigel, I would like him to become a member of the Conservative party and help turn our country around"

  • There is something sinister occurring within our Politics, especially
    that within the Conservative Party. 1 HoC walk out

    1. Truss spouting ultra RW nonsense in the USA
    2. Farage stirring the pot
    3. Anderson showing his inner Neanderthal racism

    Feels like it's all going to implode

    https://twitter.com/unwizemonkey/status/1761224148402032953

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