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But if this all hinges on the mention of collective punishment, which it clearly is by any reasonable definition, why are Labour unable to say it?

Diplomacy. Regardless of whether Israel is actually committing war crimes, accusing them of war crimes is less likely to lead to a ceasefire. That's the judgement anyway.

The SNP motion is hardly an exercise in soapbox virtue signalling.

I'd say collective punishment should get people angry and vote accordingly. Many have spent months of time pontificating about the correct word salad to appear virtuous too, and that's hardly pursuing a realistic end to the violence.

No version of it is a realistic end to the violence. They've spent two days fighting about the wording of a statement that has no weight or force. It's all a bit of a joke really

Leave it for a court to decide if war crimes are being committed rather than individual parties and MP's

If the big parties cared about drafting a meaningful motion that everyone would support, the whips could of got together and done that but that wasn't the aim

Yeah that's a fair point. I guess there's also no legal ruling on it specifically, since it wasn't covered by the ICJ.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48724-voting-intention-con-20-lab-46-20-21-feb-2024

The latest YouGov/Times voting intention poll shows the Conservatives on 20% (-4 from our last poll on 14-15 February) and Labour 46% (+2).

Because it would be parliament essentially prejudging against a specific legal term?

See also government Vs high court in "Rwanda is a Safe country"

They would have been better to explicitly state that UK companies are barred from selling weapons or items used in the production of such. At least it would have had meaning and input

The problem with the SNP motion was that it included the accusation of collective punishment. This is a charge in international law which hasn’t yet been proven in a court, yet (to be clear they definitely are) if a parliament starts pre-empting the rule of law, it tends to be considered to be fascism.

The Labour motion went further referencing an end to settler violence and a call for the Israeli government to adhere to international law.

The SNP where fine with losing there vote on this issue in November because they got there real aim which was a split in Labour.

General they all cunts

I just cannot stand the Tories accusing anyone of rule breaking and going against parliamentary protocol, when they illegally prorogued parliament to force through Brexit, which they argued was to retain the sovereignty of parliament. They can just fuck off.

Went future? Or further? (not trying to be a dick)

Especially when it is the conservatives who are threatening to go against convention and field a candidate in his seat

Without meaning to preach, that’s precisely the reaction they want to provoke. Energy spent on one thing (e.g., vexation) can’t be spent on something else (organising clear plans in opposition). Plus it riles up the idiots in their base, and filters out opposition who can’t stand the hypocrisy.

Labour should just campaign on the slogan, “Let’s Get The Tories Out”.

I can't wait to see the ruling of the average teenage boys favourite sock

Alabama IVF ruling

Even before birth, all human beings have the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory.

And yet the same state has the death penalty

Didn't the judges even quote the fucking bible in their ruling?

If the embryos are considered children, then the parents should be prosecuted for abandoning their children and keeping them in a freezer.

Every sperm is sacred....every sperm is good

We care, till they are born. Then stick em in cages all we care.

They can go in the freezer now

Cryogenics...;)

Maybe they should tax them.

Think of the car pool lane opportunities, I also can't wait to see the sudden population jump in the next census for Alabama with up to 13 eggs harvested and fertilised per round if ivf.

They hope most get conscripted, you've gotta feed the military with biological material

Apparently if you do something stupid at the age of 15 you will be held accountable for that for the rest of your life but you can't possibly be old enough to vote for another 3 years. Stupid country.

Shamima Begum loses appeal over UK citizenship

I don't have the time to read the whole judgment, but the legislation seems pretty clear, but also very broad so as to allow a SoS a wide remit.

As shitty as it is, is there anything that has come up to suggest the appeal should be successful?

What kind of weird animal has a temporal opening and a third eye...

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