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elswick
Certainly helps, but when you're dealing with other people's bikes, and other people enjoy doing way too much cleaning and way too much lubing using way too much muc-off and way to much water then way too much lube but not all the places they've just removed any grease from underneath the grubby, previously over lubed chains, just the now over lubed again but over some grubby old lube they couldn't remove chains, a less gloopy lube can help.