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  • While I appreciate that any spending plans by labour will result in Tory attacks of "tax rises, spending all your money" FML they really could find ways to present investment opportunities like the green deal as tax cuts to companies to encourage investment rather than actual government spending (yes 28B is a nothing amount in the general scheme)

    It is really disappointing. I do get that Labour are being careful. But we're now at that point where people are crying out for a change. If we're not prepared to give it to them then it opens up all kinds of other weird electoral situations.

    The time for timidity is past. The brand is detoxified. It is time to start putting some meat on the bones, and we're in the shit - the meat needs to be hefty.

    The green new deal is an industrial strategy. If we can't sell that to the British people, we won't deserve a second term.

  • Exactly. My worry is that without building engagement this is purely a protest vote and we will be back in the same situation with the Tories in 5 years.

    There doesn't seem to be an attempt to generate buy in or a relationship built between the labour party and the electorate.

    We just get a 1 off transaction.

  • A thoughtful point.

  • There doesn't seem to be an attempt to generate buy in or a relationship built between the labour party and the electorate.

    This is what we used to call strategy. I may not have known in 1997 that - for example - Labour were going to make the bank of england independent of government in their first week, or start the beginning of the end of the Troubles. There was nothing about it in their manifesto.

    But I did know that Blair and Brown were going to turn on the spending taps. I knew they'd have an interventionist stance on domestic policy. I knew they were promising change. I knew they were internationalist and pro business and pro meritocracy.

    That's what's missing here. It's not policy. It's not even principle. It's narrative.

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