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I never thought about putting 180 on the gravel bike. I guess with the bigger tyres we can run these days (MTB tyres will fit now, ie. 27.5x2.1) you're less likely to find traction the limiter. I guess you'd get used to it on the road although if I've managed with 160 all this time, is it overkill or is there a noticeable difference for us fatties?