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  • And do you wonder, in that action how many people the Israeli army (the idea of them being a defence force is beyond a joke) have driven to become freedom fighters?

  • Seems there is one story coming out that doesn't really answer why just the festival is mentioned and not the other targets, there were military bases attacked. From memory there are 4 Palestinians in a car that was burnt out.

    Seems that any islamic person (islamic scholars) seem to be called racist when the studies taken show Isreali want all the locals removed to have their state while the Palestinians and other are prepared to share but not as the land is now.

  • Reuters have been among the better western news agencies raising the issue of journalists being killed, but they’re still falling short. They’re shying away from the eye-catching reports that Israel is targeting journalists families too, which is even more fucked up than targeting just the journalists. Why they’re chicken shit about confronting the matter is anyone’s guess.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-war-most-dangerous-ever-journalists-says-rights-group-2023-12-21/

    The first 10 weeks of the Israel-Gaza war have been the deadliest recorded for journalists, with the most journalists killed in a single year in one location, the U.S.-based Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) said on Thursday.

    Most of the journalists and media workers killed in the war - 61 out of 68 - were Palestinian. The report said it was "particularly concerned about an apparent pattern of targeting of journalists and their families by the Israeli military."

  • They’re not chicken shit, they just can’t prove the intention - which is why they’re quoting someone else making that assertion instead, so at least that narrative is out there even if they can’t vouch for it directly. Knowing many journalists who work there, I’m pretty sure that if they had proof of the intention then they’d run it.

  • They’re not chicken shit

    My writing wasn’t very clear: I wasn’t singling Reuters out as chicken shit, rather the rest of the major news channels who don’t touch the subject.

    they just can’t prove the intention

    They could report the facts and let readers know what they know. If they’re waiting to report on the numbers until they can prove intention of illegal targeted killings in a war zone, then they’ll be waiting years, which makes them useless as ‘breaking news’, and contributes to hiding the facts from the public by allowing the Israeli military’s laconic and cynical ‘we don’t target journalists’ line to go unopposed.

    Perhaps it’s down to conflicting editorial priorities, or what appeals more to their readers, but the article listed above was posted yesterday/last night on the front page in small text 3 reads from the top. By morning it was gone.

    In comparison, they’ve previously featured more prominently news about the numbers of journalists being killed in Mexico, around 130 since the year 2000 (68 have been killled in Gaza since October, book authors not included). None of the Mexican journos have been killed with their entire families.

    Perhaps it’s less shocking news than I perceive it to be, and I’ll stop harping on about it but I think the treatment this situation has received is really shocking compared to historical precedents against journalists elsewhere.

  • They could report the facts and let readers know what they know.

    Which they are doing

    If they’re waiting to report on the numbers

    They’ve been reporting various respected estimates of numbers (UN in particular) so I don’t see them waiting for anything here?

    until they can prove intention of illegal targeted killings in a war zone

    Yeah, intention of targeted illegal killing is an incredibly high evidentiary bar. They’ve been reporting that the Israelis are at least reckless with regard to civilian/journalist life, and they’ve quoted respected third parties who point out that the pattern is worrying.

    Proving intention requires someone in the chain of command to confirm that it is intended, or for someone to leak documents that show the same. The fact that it’s happening a lot isn’t proof of intention - but it’s worrying, as they have reported.

  • I am reading a lot more about attacks on hospitals in this war relative to previous bombing campaigns against Gaza. The way I see it there could be two reasons for this:
    1) The Israelis really do target hospitals more this time around.
    2) The proportion of hospital destruction is about the same as earlier, but focusing on the hospitals allow those who are afraid to be seen as partial a chance to speak more critically of Israel.

  • Or 3 the general level of destruction is far higher and broader than previous campaigns

  • I’m hearing many stories from children separated from parents and out of contact. And one of children deciding to stay in the latest leafleted zone because the 15 year old brother is likely to be shot on sight by the IDF - he looks older, ‘of military age’. Moving becomes a risk.

  • US coalition to defend the Red Sea shipping lane appears to of fallen apart already, gone from 17 countries involved to 3

  • Here is a link to Medical Aid for Palestinians
    http://www.map.org.uk/donate

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  • Beautiful poem, thank you.

  • It was read to me (in English) last night by a mother of twin, seven year old boys. She is safe in Exeter, UK. She’s just finished a PHD. Her children are somewhere in gaza (moving again and again, she gets to speak to them roughly every couple of days). It broke by fucking heart.

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  • Devi Sridhar predicts up to half a million preventable deaths from disease in Gaza because of the collapse of the health system. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/29/health-organisations-disease-gaza-population-outbreaks-conflict It's exactly what most Israelis seem to want. A few outbreaks of medieval diseases will help force the population to be exiled to other countries. This seems inevitable to me. I can't imagine Biden preventing it. It suits Hamas and Netanyahu to have an endless war. The death toll so far will be just a small fraction of what's to come. I hope I'm wrong.

  • He’s forever known as Genocide Joe contributing to the Second Holocaust.

  • Would you mind elaborating? I can interpret your post a couple of different ways.

  • Fucking Tony Blair. This cunt never saw a war crime that he didn’t want to get involved in. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-ex-uk-pm-blair-eyed-as-mediator-on-post-war-gaza-including-resettlement-of-palestinians/

  • Well, given that today Bezalel Smotrich, Israeli cabinet minister, clearly explained the goal of ethnic cleansing today, who else would they want on their side?

  • Maybe he and Netanyahu will pray together.

  • who else would they want on their side?

    Alistair Campbell? He’s got a podcast now, everyone loves him again.

  • Not surprising. They know that Hamas are committed to coming back through the fence for more slaughter and rape.

  • Not surprising

    It's quite surprising that someone with influence publicly wants to commit genocide even if they think that Hamas, which isn't all the people that he wants killed, will attempt another attack.

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