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  • genuinely don't see how this Labour party being in charge instead of the Tories will make a great deal of difference to anything tbqfh.

    I guess there's a case to be made that governments only ever have a limited ability and are reactive to events.

    But I think you're missing some fundamental points about where we are:

    • Johnson and the Pro-Brexit wing of the Tories have culled all talent and experience. Whether you agree with their politics or ability of the previous crop, we're talking about a totally different league of incompetence.
    • Starmer has real experience of leading in the public sector. He has not the standard Eton>Oxbridge>SPAD>Pokimon Minister.
    • He is a long term strategist
    • He has diversity of experience in his cabinet from passionate conviction politicians

    These all make fundamental differences when it comes to how his government will perform.

    The most perfect illustration of this is the day after 2019 election. Tories had a stonking majority and it looked like if Labour survived it would be a decade before they could hope to be back in government. Since then the Tories have squandered every opportunity and even having purged their party have been unable to unify. Labour have done the opposite. In 4yrs they have gone from having their existence questioned to people assuming they have an open goal.

  • Johnson and the Pro-Brexit wing of the Tories have culled all talent and experience. Whether you agree with their politics or ability of the previous crop, we're talking about a totally different league of incompetence.

    This is the key point. From Johnson onwards, the only selection criterion for a cabinet position has been a perceived loyalty, be that to an individual, a policy or an ideology. At least partly as a result, we have a government that has been so palpably lacking in actual competence it has been incredible. It also means that utterly egregious violations of various codes (be they ministerial, moral, or criminal) have been consistently overlooked.

    Add in generally cynical, dog-whistle, gammon policies, a bit of bad luck, and we are where we are.

    It is very, very hard to believe that a not terribly gifted group of year 9s would make a worse job, much less a labour government. There are absolutely criticisms to make of Starmer and co, but from my perspective (slightly left of centre Dad) they are the only credible offering as matters stand, and a lot would have to change for that to be different, IMO.

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