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  • I just looked up the assertion about Hamas. You could equally state Hamas are an islamist or jihadist group commited to armed resistance against occupation and whose official position is that they intend to live in peace with Jews whose place in palestinian territories pre-date the Nakbar and also that they accept 1967 borders which tacitly allows for the existance of jewish presence in the region. My source is the NYC-based anti-defamation league website. defamation being a key word here

    I am sure that there are militants and religious figures in and associated with Hamas whose words seem to justify your statement but it is not clear that HAmas, as an organisation have these as their official stated aims. It really sounds like you are pushing an agenda here.

    You could also refer, for balance, to the widely commented on reference by Benjamin Netanyahu seeming to invoke genocidal violence. I am cutting and pasting a short text by Noah Lanard from mother jones here but it was widely reported on in the media and I don't think contestable.

    '[Netanyahu said] in Hebrew in a recent address : “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.”

    There are more than 23,000 verses in the Old Testament. The ones Netanyahu turned to, as Israeli forces launched their ground invasion in Gaza, are among its most violent—and have a long history of being used by Jews on the far right to justify killing Palestinians.

    As others quickly pointed out, God commands King Saul in the first Book of Samuel to kill every person in Amalek, a rival nation to ancient Israel. “This is what the Lord Almighty says,” the prophet Samuel tells Saul. “‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”'

    EDIT on second thoughts, given the context, @velocio, could I report William.'s post as offensive and potentially an incitement of hatred.

  • I am sure that there are militants and religious figures in and associated with Hamas whose words seem to justify your statement but it is not clear that HAmas, as an organisation have these as their official stated aims. It really sounds like you are pushing an agenda here.

    You're right, Hamas' stated aim is the destruction of the Israeli state. Since the clearly anti-semitic Hamas charter of 1988 the wording has been softened to remove explicit intent to eliminate all Jews. So yes my initial statement is an interpretation. Many, but not all, Jews believe the Israeli state is their only hope of existing safely, and so would take an intention to end that state as an existential threat. My broader point that there remains equal and irreconcilable hatred on both sides still stands.

    You could also refer, for balance, to the widely commented on reference by Benjamin Netanyahu seeming to invoke genocidal violence. I am cutting and pasting a short text by Noah Lanard from mother jones here but it was widely reported on in the media and I don't think contestable.
    '[Netanyahu said] in Hebrew in a recent address : “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.”

    I'm well aware of the genocidal statements from Netenyahu, as well as even more bloodthirsty, right wing members of his coalition government. These views are shared by many hard right Israeli settlers. It's terrifying.
    Many hard right Israelis and supporters of Israel also claim that the State of Palestine never existed, and therefore being Palestinian also doesn't exist as an identity. I see this stuff on social media and its really creepy. To deny people nationhood and autonomy is also genocidal.

    EDIT on second thoughts, given the context, @velocio, could I report William.'s post as offensive and potentially an incitement of hatred.

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