Israel / Palestine

There are kids right now buried alive under ruins in Gaza, waiting to die. Being buried alive is reserved by the Mafia and film directors as one of the worst possible punishments. But the IDF is actually doing it to thousands of children. This will be remembered as one of the worst crimes in history, and the fallout will affect the whole world.

But nothing is coming to you direct from Israeli gov sources

apart from stuff coming from their Twitter accounts, spokespeople, members of the government, ambassadors etc.

it's coming from the BBC, CNN, NYT, ITN and many other professional media which have decades of experience of unpicking IDF and Israeli govt lies.

and they've being doing such a good job of that this time round.

We need to step back and look at Hamas' actions as part of a carefully crafted 10+ year strategy

or as a retaliation to generations of occupation and brutalisation at the hands of Israeli forces. Not saying there are no ulterior motives though.

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Just to be crystal clear … I’m not denying there were acts of horrific sexual violence on October 7th.

If you think these journalists can be easily duped, especially by Israelis with a proven, public record of lying through their back teeth for decades, you really need to get a grip. This is fantasy stuff. Hollywood nonsense. Not far off the people who think 9/11 was an inside job.

I’ve edited my last comment because it could be read as discrediting good reporting.

I’m just going to wait for an independent report. Hopefully from the UN.

Some history which might help: https://archive.ph/qCGpu

Any one watch the BBC tonight, the photos of the Palestinians stripped to their underwear made to kneel and have their hands on the head.

The comments made by the Israelis sound very very suspect. The go south and then when go south the continuation of murdering innocents.

Is there a continued accounting for the numbers Palestinians et al killed/injured compared to Israeli.

Seems a very very biased history. With the tone of the article set in the first two lines.

Yeah well you would say that wouldn't you? Hardly surprising, the Decolonization narrative is exactly where you're at from what I've seen.
Disputing the actual history in the analysis is it? Or did you stop reading 'cause it doesn't confirm that white settler rubbish that halfwits are spouting?

This article is laughably bad.

The decolonization narrative has dehumanized Israelis to the extent that otherwise rational people excuse, deny, or support barbarity. It holds that Israel is an “imperialist-colonialist” force, that Israelis are “settler-colonialists,” and that Palestinians have a right to eliminate their oppressors. (On October 7, we all learned what that meant.) It casts Israelis as “white” or “white-adjacent” and Palestinians as “people of color.”

The quotation marks towards the end of this are just gross and the victimhood framing of the Israeli state is inane given their current actions.

yeah this article is galaxy brained nonsense

The Israeli goal in Gaza—for practical reasons, among others—is to minimize the number of Palestinian civilians killed

In what fucking world is this anyone's takeaway from the past two months of bombing?

halfwits are spouting

an ad hominem and ableism. you seem nice

I see you as quite a balanced person. But can you see that you first line that it seems that you come across as confrontational, which I take as not meant as it us like you.

The history of the area is very biased by who writes it. Such as the glossing over the right wing Zionist, what would be now classed as terrorism.

The article doesn't mention that Israel actions of invading other countries. The occupied territories being the case. The creation of Israel and what happened.

Look how many years the similar situation in Ireland and what caused the 'peace' and how long it took.

This was a reply to jaryder. Will update tomorrow on a computer.

Did an AI write this?

Prompt: cram every possible right wing pro-Israeli talking point into one mad screed

it's coming from the BBC..

They’re still to be taken with a pinch of salt;

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“killed in air strike” … because these things just happen …

He was targeted at home, murdered along with his family. By the state of Israel.

Al Jazeera's coverage is very similar though - they also say controversial, also say "Palestinians mourn"

Well that (the Atlantic opinion piece) was pretty depressing.

It’s a ropey smear on the term Settler Colonialism. I understand why a Zionist would want to do that.

Ultimately it is sophistry to excuse a retaliation that takes twenty times the lives. I understand why a supremacist would want to do that.

Al Jazeera's coverage is very similar though - they also say controversial, also say "Palestinians mourn"

Neither of these things imply bias at all.

No one mentioned colonisation and thought, really. Has the definition of colonisation changed.

Right I'm off to colonise your flats and houses and little bits of land. How far will I get?

Agree, that was kind of my point...

I know. The Louis Allday tweet is really dumb. There is alot of real propaganda around, there's no need to invent it. Israeli representatives are regularly challenged over their actions by the BBC.

Israeli representatives are regularly challenged over their actions by the BBC.

I’ve read through the comments twice thinking I’ve missed something. Have you folks forgotten there’s been people at the BBC having actual mental breakdowns because of the biased, unquestioning platform the Corp. has given to the Israeli Govt.? I’m unsure if that has changed in the past 2 or 3 weeks, but that’s been their attitude over the majority of this recent stage of the conflict.

the biased, unquestioning platform the Corp. has given to the Israeli Govt.?

This is not what happens every day on BBC radio. This is an example of the kind of questioning I hear every day. I don't think people calling the BBC biased are actually listening to the coverage. And I'll say again, the Louis Allday tweet above is absurd. it's odd because there ARE some examples of things that come across as pro israeli bias on the BBC, and this tweet actually undermines that case. As in wonder society, there will be people at the BBC with bias both ways, and selective examples have been used to make both cases.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/bbc-mishal-husain-israel-spokesperson-palestinian-deaths_uk_655b2048e4b0ce6a31bdc6bf/

Counterpoint: https://www.newarab.com/news/bbc-staff-crying-work-over-israel-gaza-coverage?amp

Glad if they’ve now stopped giving Israel a pass on whatever they say, but the damage has been done and is measured in thousands of innocent lives lost. Hundreds of millions of people, if not billions, around the world refer to the BBC for news, so it’s not just UK public sentiment that has been affected by this. Whether actual unbiased reporting by the BBC since day 0 would have changed enough people’s minds to save thousands of lives is ultimately unknowable, but they made conscious choices to disregard their duty to tell truth as objectively as possible.