-
I feel so little trust in anything coming via Israeli gov’ managed sources
But nothing is coming to you direct from Israeli gov sources, it's coming from the BBC, CNN, NYT, ITN and many other professional media which have decades of experience of unpicking IDF and Israeli govt lies.
Hamas' denials of this are feeble and muted. All they've said is that rape is forbidden in Islam. Even if it's all invented, I think Hamas wants you to believe it. The more worrying question is how our perception of these horrors supports Hamas' goals. Too many people are hung up on arguing which side is worse and agonising about which flags and slogans are acceptable. We need to step back and look at Hamas' actions as part of a carefully crafted 10+ year strategy. There are parallels with Bin Laden who planned 9/ll to provoke a US invasion of a muslim country, which would fail and bring about the collapse of the US and the rise of the caliphate. He had a great deal of success. Sinwar (what a perfect name) wants to use US-Islam relations as a springboard to conquering Israel. It seems to me that he's timed this war to coincide with the US elections. The Houthi rebellion is another strand of the plan. Maybe he thinks he can engineer a US invasion of Iran? The sexual mutilation horrors are key to this, because they help Trump to get elected on his Islam-is-evil ticket. Breasts being cut off, real or imaginary, are one of Sinwar's ways of getting US aircraft carriers to bomb Muslims and unite the middle east to overrun Israel. We are all being manipulated towards that goal. Israeli right wingers see this as an immediate risk. Culling the Palestinian population is an obvious defensive move.
I suggest you focus on the outlets which have a history of giving the IDF a hard time, e.g. C4 News and Al Jazeera, neither of which have covered this story yet, presumably because they want to check it with independent witnesses. I can guarantee you they have people working flat out to uncover any deception by Israel. If they found any evidence it would be a massive, career-making story which they would shout from the rooftops.
Make a habit of watching C4 News, both the broadcast stuff and the online only stuff which they plug on twitter. If you are pushed for time you can trust them and ignore everyone else. It will make you feel much better.
nick_h.-
But nothing is coming to you direct from Israeli gov sources, it's coming from the BBC, CNN, NYT, ITN and many other professional media which have decades of experience of unpicking IDF and Israeli govt lies.
Well said, and well reasoned around the attempt to start a wider conflict. Hamas are a death cult, much like Al Quaeda and Isis. They want more conflict, more war and more death. They do not give a fuck about Palestinian children.
Even if it's all invented,
For anyone still entertaining this, worth listening to Christina Lamb on the Media Show yesterday. She has investigated these types of crimes in conflicts around the world. Continued minimising or denial at this stage would start to seem insidious. Lamb aknowledges the huge amounts of misinformation and propaganda on both sides, and the rife and unhelpful whataboutery. (titled to be about Lockerbie, Lamb section comes first)
-
{edited}
Just to be crystal clear … I’m not denying there were acts of horrific sexual violence on October 7th.
-
it's coming from the BBC..
They’re still to be taken with a pinch of salt;
William.
miro_o
edscoble
There is tension between risk of accidentally parroting half-truths/propaganda and being silent/ignoring survivors.
I feel so little trust in anything coming via Israeli gov’ managed sources I’ll believe nothing until verified.
Following Israel’s line and shitting on the UN in this context is just mental. I’m amazed people are falling for it.