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Unfortunately getting into the detail and wider structural issues is way to complicated to discuss, and sets up traps for yourself that the opposition can exploit.
I'm open to hearing arguments for controlling immigration. Just not basic ones that don't go further to look at the wider structural issues, and fail to acknowledge our whole economic model is built on requiring an immigrant workforce.
hugo7-
That's it, the discussion doesn't go anywhere cos "traps".
Brexit "we need control" ok you have it "but immigration has gone up" yeah but it's controlled and now the goalposts move again but NHS housing etc are still in crisis.
But blaming a vague group seems very productive politically.
I think limiting immigration the way the government want makes no sense. No more dependents visa for care home workers? Aside from that it's shitty and treating people as stopgaps, the UK isn't the only country with shortages.
An economic model where work doesn't pay / jobs don't natch housing demand?
JWestland
I have issues with the undercut by immigrant labour.
It's companies undercutting workers. With government permission.
If there are jobs to fill, people will fill them.
But then if housing and public services don't keep up it becomes a mess, same shit everywhere.
Until the government becomes more restrictive and lets industries that can't pay properly fail and funds social care and housing, this "but immigrants" pot is going to keep on the boil.