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Thanks - don't know if I want open backs as I don't want a wandering kiddo to walk past and hear the foulness coming from @chrisbmx116 s mouth.
But Senny a good call to investigate - I use a couple of pairs of HD25plus for going in camera bags. Nice quality but on-ear. Might look for an over-ear closed back.
CYOA
@Kirth
I rock Sennheiser 6xx's open back (but have a DAC+Amp)
https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-sennheiser-hd6xx
love them