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  • Seems to be saying that islam is the new improved washes whiter cristianty...

    Have read a bit, and am fascinated by how many religions have similar stories such as Noah/Gilgamesh

    For clarity I am Roman Catholic, the label never gets removed...tho I am agnostic. But not sure. The Jesuits had me till 7 ;)

  • As a complete fucking layman and atheist, it strikes me that Islam is a "newer" religion and that it hasn't had time to go through a reformation.

    Christianity went through one 500 years ago, Islam is 610 years "younger" than Christianity. Then again Judaism is 3500 years old and there are still too many "fire and brimstone" proponents it would seem within Israel.

  • hasn't had time to go through a reformation.

    I reckon that such past events are only very loosely linked to the here and now. The reformation is of little consequence when you see US Christian fundamentalists turning their backs on basic science in an effort to bolster in group loyalty.

  • As a complete fucking layman and atheist, it strikes me that Islam is a "newer" religion and that it hasn't had time to go through a reformation.

    Or it didn't need a Protestant-style one for most of its history, because the relationshp between religion and state wasn't the same as it was the Christianised Roman Empire and its successors. Complex topic.

    Judaism is 3500 years old and there are still too many "fire and brimstone" proponents it would seem within Israel.

    Islam and Judaism both saw changes in the 20th century that have no comparison to the history of Christianity.

    In Islam, the fundamentalist schools, now dominant in Saudia Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan,were fringe movements for most of the religion's history. But c19 and c20 saw the collapse of the last big Islamic empires, with Western colonial powers taking over most of the Muslim world and all of its most sacred sites. Fundamentalists moved into the power vacuum, are the loudest voices and the only thing most in the West even know about the religion.

    Loud "fire and brimstone" teaching also not much of a Rabbinical thing, for very practical reasons among others, before the recreation of Israel. That, and the holocaust that led to it, have created new phenenomena.

    Religions don't follow a neat, common set of changes.

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