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you frame it that way, @ReekBlefs frames it the opposite way
I think we're both pointing out the same thing, that each of these phrases is at best a dog whistle and at worst openly and obviously racist - and therefore probably best stayed away from in contexts where they're likely to be inflammatory.
EDIT Ha jinx
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I mean, you frame it that way, @ReekBlefs frames it the opposite way, it’s almost as if the phrase needs a neutral framing or to be dropped entirely.