How do I bathroom / kitchen / extension? etc.

I don't think that's what's stopping folks from DIYing it to be fair!

I'd be surprised if it wasn't at least a little part of it — height means scaffolding, scaffolding means other people and timelines, other people and timelines can mean DIY is out of the question

Plus no planning permission or building control required I guess too

Of course it's part of it, but you'd still need to learn how to cut and measure beams, assemble a frame, build a durable, insulated watertight roof that won't blow off in a gale, put up stud walls, route services (OK, a GR just needs electric unless it's a palace), apply cladding, insulate it, put down a floor, but the windows in... it's endless. And it has to last decades so don't make a minor mistake that means the whole thing is fucked in seven years of UK weather ok?

No planning, well, kind of. They are generally PD but there's loads of shit you can pull to build something far larger than what PD should allow (which is fuck all) but you need the expertise to pull that off too.

Hov's GR got eaten by ants FFS.

Sure, all of which can be done if you can cut straight and drill a straight hole, muddling through the various problems. Self-build in the UK is woefully under-represented compared to places in europe, and there have actually been relatively successful self-build movements in the past: https://www.scopeofwork.net/segal-method/

A glorified shed is a great place to start if you're into that kind of thing, i would have thought?

(Edit: Not at all undermining that it's still relatively complex, but it sounds pretty fun to me at least)

And it has to last decades so don't make a minor mistake that means the whole thing is fucked in seven years of UK weather ok?

You can just build a shit one and then move house or rebuild/buy a better one once it falls apart

The Barratt Homes approved method!

You can just build a shit one and then move in to it because you've been kicked out by your family

that's not true at all imo. For a start I wouldn't modify my house, particularly not the roof. A 'Garden room' is just a few timber frames, some cladding and and EPDM roof. Ok, if you want to build a small house in your garden then it's complicated, but if all you want is somewhere dry to fix bikes and ride the turbo then it's really no harder than a stud wall.

I took a week off work with my wife and we built it together. I'm slightly DIY minded but had to borrow a chop saw so hardly an expert, and it was really enjoyable. I'd fully recommend anyone thinking of doing it to have a crack. The worst that can happen is it falls down.

but if all you want is somewhere dry to fix bikes and ride the turbo then it's really no harder than a stud wall.

That's a shed, or summerhouse. I don't think it's semantics. A garden room is fundamentally different.

Yeah with my room in the garden. Reasonably impressed tbh - they definitely design it to spec and it's not a cookie cutter model, they accommodated all my ideas / requests really well

Gonna buy this!

Sorry which company are you using? Sorry if I missed it !

I’m time poor and find DIY fairly unenjoyable so would always prefer to get someone in to do something if I think they will do a good job of it

https://www.myroominthegarden.com/

+1

Look at that ali dude on YouTube. There's fucking loads to consider for something with decent insulation and electrics. Or closer to home, the start and finish dates of the builds on here.

Fwiw I think the best budget option is to settle for a 3 season space. Get a decent shed kit, diy build, pimp with insulation, etc.

Ah sorry thanks! You got any pics?

I know a lad who can’t put up a shelf.

Pls dont out me like this, i told you this in confidence

Tbh their insta ones are the best place to look! I've not really taken many... Ours was finished around April last year, the one with acoustic panels in the roof and forbo floor. They came up with the arched struts based on our chats, modelled it and then the execution has been pretty good

Yes, just had one finished, 6 metres x 3 metres. We used these folk:

https://intothegardenroom.com/

It's not quite done, but I have started working in it this week. It's bereft of most furniture at the moment, but so far we're very happy with it. We had a couple of snagging issues, but they've been very prompt in sorting them.

Thanks @andyp - was it a full turnkey solution? And ballpark figure? Think we wouldn’t look to do anything until Spring but new job is working with US quite a bit and current wfh setup might become less ideal.

@andyfallsoff guess similar Q for you if you’d be ok to divulge

I mean, you're obviously not, as there's not thread in current projects (non-bike).

If it's not there, it's not happening.

You can just build a shit one

Every time I walk into mine, I'm convinced that it's wobbling.

And now it's all sunk into the ground, because you forgot the foundations.

Thanks for ruining Christmas.

Pretty much. We told them the size we wanted, where we wanted windows, what doors we wanted, then they provided drawings which we signed off on.

We had a slab already in place for the shed that was there previously, so that reduced the costs somewhat. I think all in it was just under £30k.

Brill thanks mate!