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  • Israeli soldiers in body armour and armoured vehicles shoot people that throw stones at them. Shoot unarmed people with cameras. These are in areas that Israel have invaded.

    Yes these horrendous acts by some IDF soldiers happened. Some have been charged by the military courts, disciplined, imprisoned etc.

    The point is that whatever has happened in the past, the initial Hammas attack on Saturday left Israel no choice but to resort to the current strikes on Gaza

  • whatever has happened in the past

    not sure that it is reasonable to whatever that away and start the clock on Saturday, but leaving that aside, what's the end game here for Israel - permanent occupation and administration of Gaza?

  • not sure that it is reasonable to whatever that away

    Yes, seems unreasonable though taking anything into account prior to Saturday's atrocity is pointless in terms of a response now.

    It is impossible to predict the endgame, the degree this escalates, other players entering the fray, which makes this moment an existential threat to both Israelis and Palestinians

  • Yes, that is the end game. What else can it be?

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