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  • Yeah I just don't know if I agree. I don't think you can as easily apportion blame (to be clear, I think there is plenty of blame, I just don't find it as easy to say "well Israel has more firepower therefore always gets the blame").

    I think it's possible to simultaneously think that (1) Israel is entitled to be a state and to defend itself, and it isn't a misreading of history to feel that Jews as a people have been historically persecuted and therefore are at risk; (2) the way it has done so has, at least some of the time, been unacceptably brutal; but (3) they are correct to feel threatened as there are those out there who don't accept their right to a state and wish them harm.

    Maybe that means I'm one of those people you refer to above. I'm happy to condemn Israel for the things it has done wrong, but I don't think that means (as many on this thread appear to) that this is unequivocally a case of "Israel bad and that's all that matters"

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