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  • Just find it disingenuous when people wheel out that gaza voted for hamas as if they have regular free and fair elections

    Right. But they didn't not vote for them. So it isn't straightforward.

    My point wasn't in relation to the legitimacy of Hamas' electoral mandate. In the same way that I wasn't suggesting the Neturei Karta are a powerful interest group. It was in relation to "this is all really simple guys".

    But maybe I'm getting confused by the nuance and use of complicated Vs complex.

  • If that's a reference to @E11_FTW 's comment, I think they got those two things the wrong way round.

    Did I? Always happy to be corrected, but I was working on the basis of this sort of distinction by Rick Nason:

    A complicated issue, explains Nason, is one in which "the components
    can be separated and dealt with in a systematic and logical way that
    relies on a set of static rules or algorithms." It may be hard to see,
    but there's a fixed order in something that is merely complicated and
    that allows you to deal with it in a repeatable manner.

    Pumping crude oil from 6 miles below the surface of the Gulf of Mexico
    is complicated. So is making an electric car and a reusable rocket
    (just ask Elon Musk). But once you figure out how to do these things,
    you can keep doing them at will.

    On the other hand, a complex issue is one in which you can't get a
    firm handle on the parts and there are no rules, algorithms, or
    natural laws. "Things that are complex have no such degree of order,
    control, or predictability," says Nason. A complex thing is much more
    challenging--and different--than the sum of its parts, because its
    parts interact in unpredictable ways.

    Managing people is a complex challenge. So is integrating the two
    merging companies or figuring out how the market will react to a new
    product or strategy. Maybe you'll get lucky and figure it out once,
    but whatever you did this time won't generate the same result next
    time.

    On this basis, the main aspects of this situation are complicated, but not inextricably complex. With apologies for a very crude example, you know that if you don't make murderous incursions into Southern Israel you won't provoke specific and calamitous reprisals, and if you don't bomb Gaza in retaliation you won't kill untold numbers of objectively innocent men, women and children. Most of the action-result pairs are predictable. And in the bigger picture, while the situation is complicated, it isn't so complex that it's impossible to see the asymmetry of it.

    Again, happy to be corrected!

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