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You fuck off. Imagine supporting people murdering civilians.

Yet I didn’t hear you complaining once since 1948.

Would you like my views on the Vietnam war too?

None of its right, it's foul that you're sat cheerleading the murder of Israeli civilians that will only bring more death and suffering for innocent Palestinian people. Give your head a wobble ffs

Ok, let’s hear what you think Palestines response should be? Ask nicely? Accept living in an open air prison? I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t mind if your children were murdered on a systematic basis? I know, maybe they could ask the “free world” for support considering how much we love freedom, I’m sure we will help.

Maybe if they’re well behaved and Israel won’t carry on the expansion of their occupation? Maybe they’ll be allowed to vote now? Maybe work? Maybe not have a two state where roads, shops, hospitals and schools are only allowed for the occupiers? Maybe if they’re just well behaved?

Ok, let’s hear what you think Palestines response should be?

From what I am reading an IDF army base has been sacked and kids at a dance music festival have been shot at random. One of those incidents seems fine with me, the other one definitely not.

The struggle of the Palestinians have a lot in common with the fight for decolonisation in the global south in the 20th century. There were isolated instances of targeting civilians here and there also back then, and to my knowledge not a single one of those massacres in any significant way helped any of those countries reach their current status as post-colonial nations.

Without condoning anything, a key difference is when an occupying power faced insurgencies like this in the past, other countries for the most part just shut up and left them to it.

They didn’t project their flag on the Brandenberg Gate as a sign of solidarity with the occupying power.

The may not view them to act rationally, they’ve been victims of abuse for generations. We cannot expect them to not fight back against oppression.

Google “IDF children” and read for half an hour.

The Israel government is genocidal and all action must be taken by Palestine to defend itself.

israeli settlers have been indiscriminately shooting innocent palestinians who had the audacity to protest about having their land and houses stolen from them for decades, that doesn't justify any violence against civilians but does make any outrage from israel seem a bit hollow

They’re civilians but a lot also have blood on their hands. It’s not like they where fleeing persecution…

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-immigration-to-israel-by-year

https://www.timesofisrael.com/4000-us-immigrants-moved-to-israel-in-2021-the-highest-annual-figure-since-1973/amp/

There’s no Good vs. Bad here. Both sides are ideologically intolerant of the other. Both governments are too happy to choose violence over peaceful coexistence. Righteousness is a perspective

I’d say when one side has to go through checkpoints, can’t vote, can’t work without permission, can’t use same shops, schools and hospitals. Not to mention the stolen land and further expansion of this it’s quite easy to frame them as resistance fighters and fighters for freedom.

Yes, there’s a huge power imbalance. One could argue that if Israel wants peace, it needs to create better conditions for its enemy. But that’s a difficult political position to take (it cost Rabin his life). Then again, consider that the Sunshine policy adopted by South Korea towards the north. This did little, ultimately to strengthen relations and bring peace.

The same South Korea that ignored UN elections, installed the same Japanese fascist puppets that where overthrown in WW2 and still to this day run military drills on how to massacre theDPRK’s population like they did in the 50’s? I wonder why the DPRK is hesitant to engage.

There’s a twisted symbiotic relationship between the bloodthirsty extremists on both sides of this conflict - they need each other to justify their existence and their actions, and their violence polarises the population and drives them deeper into each other’s arms. Most people are innocents, trying to get on with their lives - the discourse of complicity justifies further violence and plays into the hands of the extremists.

Fuck all the warmongers and their apologists.

No, this is just typical liberal “both sides are just as bad” bullshit.

Fuck justifying shooting a bunch of innocent kids at a rave.

I just never heard this outrage when “Ali was on the grill”. Never heard a peep when the reports came out of sexual abuse of Palestinian minors by the IDF. No outcry of indiscriminate bombing.

You mean on this forum? I recall plenty.
I remember the old user EdwardZ who kept arguing the case for Israel. Like you he always erred on the side of obliqueness, implying but not saying outright that he supported violence against civilians – Palestinians in his case. He met a ton of outcry on here and was ultimately banned. (Which is why it think it's only fair that you get banned).

The IDF is terrible too, as are the violent settlers who keep ripping up the map. And the one-sidedness of governments’ reactions to what’s going on there is galling. But as individuals, what are we supposed to do - spend our entire lives declaiming the world’s injustices so that some keyboard warrior feels that we have expressed proper balance?

Did I condone any violence or just empathise with the Palestinians struggle? Go read my posts.

Although I do question the narrative of innocent civilians…

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Did I condone any violence ...?

Yes, you told a user who denounced violence against civilians to fuck off.

I would argue that I told him to fuck off for having a one sided view/response but thanks.

It's a one sided view to think that Hamas murdering civilians is wrong?

Indiscriminately killing non-combatents isn't justified and it never has been.

I didn't give my position on the state of Israel, because it's irrelevant.