Musk is a cunt and Tesla are shit

And Tesla are shit

Musk has is that SpaceX has been funded directly by the US department of defence on multiple occasions

Yes - you're right, I hadn't considered this. Have the reports said how he knew that an offensive was happening and how he knew when to cut the service?

Believe he said that the service was never available there, but he refused the request to extend it towards Sevastopol

I think it probably feeds the genius/hero complex to be able to say "No" and think he's avoided nuclear escalation

Allegedly Musk told engineers to turn starlink off here is the link https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/07/elon-musk-ordered-starlink-turned-off-ukraine-offensive-biography

Elon Musk ordered his Starlink satellite communications network to be turned off near the Crimean coast last year to hobble a Ukrainian drone attack on Russian warships, according to a new biography.

CNN quoted an excerpt from the biography Elon Musk by Walter Isaacson, which described how armed submarine drones were approaching their targets when they “lost connectivity and washed ashore harmlessly”.

The biography, due out on Tuesday, alleges Musk ordered Starlink engineers to turn off service in the area of the attack because of his concern that Vladimir Putin would respond with nuclear weapons to a Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Crimea. He is reported to have said that Ukraine was “going too far” in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin.

Musk’s threats to withdraw Starlink communications at various stages of the conflict have been previously reported, but this is the first time it has been alleged he cut off Ukrainian forces in the middle of a specific operation.

The date of the would-be attack was not specified. Musk reportedly referred to it as a “mini Pearl Harbor”, although Ukrainian forces were operating within their internationally recognised territorial waters.

There’s something scary about an individual being able to swiftly changes the course of the world simply by having money and power.

simply by having money and power.

This is a bit like saying it's odd that people who own Ferraris can drive fast. Power confers the ability to make changes - that's what power is.

Also, much as I despise the cunt, "simply" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

It’s a big difference between having an expensive performance cars and changing the landscape of politic.

You mean just having an expensive car doesn't give you the same power as being (on paper, at least) the richest man in the world, in control of a very influential social media platform, with an adoring fanbase of many millions (of morons)? This is true. Keep joining the dots, Ed.

But don't make me have to explain analogies.

I'll do it, since I am aware that Ed's hearing impairment means that he doesn't have the same level of linguistic agility as you might like.

Analogy: just as owning a Ferrari automatically allows you to go fast; so does having money and power allow you to be powerful and perform powerful acts.

Ergo: we should not be surprised that a powerful individual can change the world.

Having said all of that, I do in fact agree with Ed that we should possibly be scared by it.

Surely the issue here is the amount of agency one (unelected) individual holds over potentially critical infrastructure.

Compare with how limited the US president is in the extent of their unilateral powers....Or say the Chair of EDF.

I think the only sensible option is to nationalise Musk.

Part of musk logic is that he gave the starlink stuff Ukraine as a humanitarian (tax right off)

Or maybe mants to keep Russia in side for space x

Still think he is a cunt

Still think he is a cunt

Any thoughts on Tesla?

Ha you think that I think things through....

As far as I am aware , while Musk has continually positioned Starlink as an act of largesse, there are several western states that have been paying him to do it. Haven't looked into it for a while so may be misremembering.

I'll do it, since I am aware that Ed's hearing impairment means that he doesn't have the same level of linguistic agility as you might like.

Holy patronising bollocks, Batman. Ed has a creative way with analogy himself; there used to be a whole thread about it. He just doesn't always apply the same attention to what others type as to what he types, which has nothing to do with his hearing.

Not a clue, just what is being reported as what he said. Along with the I stopped nuclear war.

Just repeating what I have heard.

@TooTallTim by Tesla I take it you mean Nicky ;)

Fucking hell dude, you don’t need to be such an obnoxious cunts.

Am I saying the same thing everyone says in the last several decades? Of course, we’re talking about Musk, you don’t need to do your patronising bullshit of trying to make sure everyone know you might have some semblance of a brain cell.

there used to be a whole thread about it.

And I fucking hate it, I don’t care much to be reminded on my everyday life by other people, but that shit is pushing it and I’m glad they actually closed it.

Ed, I'm sorry if I made things worse here for you, I am sure it is a difficult and painful topic for you and not nice to be reminded of a thread which basically existed to bully you.

Bruce, I don't know what's going on with you, but you seem to be leaving a trail of bile and resentment across this place. It is pretty undignified and, in my view, uncalled for. Take a beat eh?

Honestly I appreciate your effort, while it does came off as patronising, i can see you do mean well and it is appreciated.

And I fucking hate it, I don’t care much to be reminded on my everyday life, but that shit is pushing it and I’m glad they actually closed it.

I was glad they closed it too, Ed. My intended point was just that you're not a stranger to the idea and that Mashton saying you are because of your hearing was a very odd flex. I should not have said "Don't make me explain analogies", of course.

group hugs all round?

Don't make me explain. You wouldn't like me when I explain.

A well-observed piece, speaking more to the thread title's first than second proposition:
https://guardian.pressreader.com/article/281487870960523

Ugh. Have to read it in segments; inside his head isn't a fun place to be.