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It needs proper DNA testing

Presumably breeders will get themselves some DNA tests and select for the ones that don't have whatever gene is banned if you go for that approach.

XL Bullys kill a bunch of people,
There's calls to ban that specific breed,
Person claims breeds don't matter because any dog can attack.

How is that not a defence of the breed? They're saying it's not special in any way yet is the only one causing problems.

If you ban breeding "from" banned breeds you avoid new breeds popping up?

*and those crisp breads you get in italy

They're saying it's not special in any way

Mate, you keep saying this, but she doesn't say that. We're going round in circles, probably from misunderstanding each other, let's leave it there.

Fortunately I don't remember the last time I went to a Yates's or if I've ever been to a Slug and Lettuce.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66785823

Why don't they just call it Happy Hour and have a discount in not-peak? Seems to be the more normal way and doesn't upset people quite so much.

In the interview she said anyone who claims its the owner and not the dog is wrong and that breed plays a significant factor. Or are you saying she said something else somewhere else?

Neither TeamDog, nor TeamCat here.
Probably on reflection TeamWildBird, (rather than caged bird).

No mention of muzzles for dogs in public spaces?

No mention of muzzles for dogs in public spaces?

Not sure about muzzles on all dogs, but leads should be absolutely mandatory in my eyes except when in a field or something. And not those shit retractable ones that you can't see..

The word ‘aggressive’ might be problematic when talking about dog breeds. I’ve skimmed a bit of the researcher’s work and didn’t see how she weighted aggressive behaviours. A dog breed that barks a lot and bites occasionally is much less dangerous than a breed that doesn’t display signs of aggression but also is infamous for unexplainably going into full-on murder mode.

Perhaps erratic tendencies or instability should be taken into account. Is it problematic to ‘stereotype’ dog breeds like that? Yes, but we do it for other traits like energetic or nervous.

In that article she downplays the significance of breed significantly and puts all emphasis on the specific genetics of the individual dog e.g. not from a puppy farm and nurture. But it's a theme through anything if you search "Carri Westgarth breed"

"Westgarth, whose book The Happy Dog Owner is out this month, says that even dog trainers often share the commonly held view that some attacks are inevitable and associated with certain breeds – and certain types of owners. Yet fatal attacks remain extremely rare; there were fewer than three a year, on average, from 1981 to 2015. While attacks by “dangerous” breeds such as pit bulls make front pages, Tulloch says there is no good data on breeds and bites. Any breed can bite, Westgarth adds."

All dogs should have to wear high vis, helmets and have number plates

Yes. This has got ridiculously Daily Mail cyclist in here. Licenses, muzzles, dna testing?

All dogs should have to wear high vis, helmets and have number plates

Stolen

Don't know enough about dog breeds to add anything here. But there are some wannabe toughguy dickheads near us who take two similar dogs for walks past my daughters' school most mornings. And they send their 8/9 year old kid out with the pair of them when they are feeling too lazy. No way they could control them if anything happened, let alone the kid.

I don't think anyone is saying licences for all dogs. The suggestion is that where someone owns a dog which is so powerful that a large strong human would struggle to control it, then there should be a control mechanism for ownership.

In the same way that not everyone can own a shotgun. Also don't most responsible dog owners have chipped dogs now?

As for muzzles, I'm never sure what the issue is with that.

I do think some of the comments about leashes in any open space are a bit much.

Surely licenses are redundant if, as will many other things this government does, there is no appetite to implement properly or enforce them and it's just a bit of headline grabbing before the by-elections (my cynicism is showing here, sorry).

Yeah. This reminds me of being in the park with my 4yo who fucking loves a stick.

Some young teens were walking a status dog thinking they were cool and then the dog went for the stick. Obviously my kid didn't understand or have the presence of mind to immediately put their stick down. It took a couple of them straining with all their might to hold it while I got rid of the stick.

I mean that is a perfect e.g. of dickhead owners letting their kids either own or take the dog out unsupervised. However, it does go back to the problem of people owning animals that are too powerful to control.

On the point of licences, obviously you need an enforcement mechanism. But without a law in the first place then there is nothing to enforce. The general pain of it may also make people think twice about what they buy.

I don't think anyone is saying licences for all dogs.

I am but not because dogs bite people. I'd like to be able to send a sample of dog shit from the pavement to a lab where the DNA of the producing dog is identified, traced and the dog confiscated from the owner for 1 week on first offence, 2 weeks on second, 4 weeks on third etc.

#teamguineapig

Brief interlude to the dog bashing, horrendous flooding in Libya with 10k missing
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/12/libya-floods-death-toll-dams-burst?

Same storm that killed people in Greece, Turkey, and Egypt.

I presume you are part of the team working on behalf of Richie Sunak's wife to set up the national estate of dog pounds required for your proposal?

Sounds ideal, so I let my dog shit on the pavement before I go away on holiday?

Peak time uplift pricing the honest drinking people out:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66785823

C'mon the 'Spoon!
(not!)

^ Michael O'Leary school of free advertising there.

The other side of dog licensing is it could stop shits owning dogs and mistreating them.