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Justice for the Hanavese

hopefully i'll never find out, but good to know!

The evidence suggests that all dog breads are a similar risk of aggressive behaviour

And yet for some reason 1 breed in particular is responsible for almost all fatal attacks on humans and god knows how many unrecorded ones on other animals.

That's not a contradiction though?

You didn't want things shitting in your garden a second ago. Speciesist

In fairness, I would prefer our chickens didn't shit all over our garden. But I'll accept an animal I've chosen to own doing it over one I haven't.

I'm not saying Carri Westgarth has an agenda, but she's written a few articles like that all based off research done at her university. https://livrepository.liverpool.ac.uk/7753/1/NewmanJen_June2012_7753.pdf
In a nutsell it's a study of other studies and says it's inclusive.

In her own written testemony to parliament she says
"What is the evidence that some breeds cause more serious injuries? Studies presenting hospital injuries identified: Shepherds, Rottweilers and Dobermans (24), German Shepherds, mongrels and Labradors (25) and Staffordshire Bull Terriers (26) as the most common breeds. PBTs were over-represented among the paediatric and adult populations in the USA (27, 28)"

"Breed is just one of many factors linked with dog’s likelihood to be aggressive. Other factors influence dog behaviour more than a breed. Although the legislated breeds are perceived to be more aggressive than other breeds, at the moment there is no evidence to suggest that they are more likely to bite. However, when they do bite they may cause greater injury. Therefore, if BSL was in place as a strategy aimed to reduce severity of bites, the list of legislated breeds would hypothetically need to be extended to all large strong dogs. Given the large number of Pit-Bull type dogs in the UK, discrepancies in identifying them and increasing dog bite rates, it is clear that the current legislation has not worked as intended. Breeding practices for all breeds (e.g. selection for friendly temperament, avoiding breeding from fearful sirens and sires) and litter environment"

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/91190/html/

She seems very hard to be down playing the affect of breed temperaments. It's like "these dogs are responsible for more attacks and do more damage when they attack but yaknow any dog could do it really"

The whole 'all dogs are a risk thing' is a bit at odds with the table of dog fatalities in UK which, from a POV, indicates there is an urgent question to be answered.

Are golden retrievers and labradors too dangerous?

Too big to sit on your scooter.

Yeah but (non-miniature) poodle is on the list. They're close to the same size

Forbidden!

Also, $12,800 for a puppy, which limits things in a different way.

I'm not sure what's controversial or agenda driven about that though. If the evidence is weak then sure, but what do you think her agenda is besides presenting her own research?

I don't see this as downplaying the danger of certain breeds, but highlighting the problem of aggressive dogs in general. I'm very happy for strict enforcement on bans of dangerous dogs breeds, but if that doesn't prevent harm from other breeds then that's pretty important.

I have a scar where a Boarder Collie bit my face when I was a kid, such a shit dog to get savaged by.

I am somewhat in agreement with the 'it's not specific breeds' statement, but perhaps not from the angle most pro-doggo-he's just being friendly-lobbyist might have meant it: dogs have teeth and toddler temperament, all dogs should on some level be considered dangerous; and stay on the lead. Except perhaps in places where it is appropriate for them to run free - the owners back garden and designated dog parks.

Why do I have to spend every walk in a park or on a beach swivelled eyed for the next furry dickhead way off the lead, a million miles further than their kagoul wearing owner could ever run, looking to investigate small children?*

Small irritants though toddlers may be, they do not have sharp teeth, are not fast, do not roam very far, have no means of defence against a small dog let alone a large dog, and typically don't bark ferociously when you pass by their table en route to place an order for an ice cream.

Only to then step in your furry fucks shit as I aim to head home.

*This includes: beaches, parks, coffee shops, Ice cream shops, Children's play parks, most streets, holiday rental cabin porch in Scotland, every picnic not on national trust property and at least 3 different mountain paths (Data sample: one Dad, 2 Toddlers, 5 weeks of UK summer when not at nursery)

Do you tell people it was a mastiff?

...rant over. Can't people just get a hamster or something?

I’d like a border collie.

Because there's historically very few studies about dog breed temperament and those which exist are bad. So when you end up with 8 deaths in a year by XL Bullys and people start to say it's a problem, it's a stretch to use the lack of good studies as evidence that actually all dog breeds are equal. And even then by her own admission pitbulls in the USA are vastly over represented in the data and she still says they're not a stand out problem. The part I don't know is why people feel they need to defend an obviously problematic dog breed against all available evidence.

...rant over.

Seems pretty fair to be pissed about that to me.

Similar on my leg from some yorkshire terrier cross type thing that belonged to a neighbour. It was round our house bothering our dog, not attacking it. I tried to shoo it away (I was in primary school but can't recall exactly what age), it wouldn't fuck off, took a half lunge at me which caused me to swing a kick at it in some kind of instinctual response. It sunk its teeth into my shin. No stitches but a few proper punctures (A&E, anti-boiotics, couple of days off school). The neighbours who owned the dog had a kid in the year below me and there were other similar aged kids who lived nearby. They took the dog that same day and had it put down. We were really expecting some kind of noise that I had provoked or something but none appeared. We didn't even really complain about the bite as we lived in the countryside (not that it should make a difference but there is an undertone of dogs being working animals or at least not kid friendly lap pets) and my parents did actually think it was partly my fault.

"They're just being friendly!"

Fuck off.
Or, let me wipe my shoes on your jacket and try and steal your coffee.

...rant over? Ahem.

I remember someone on here replying to chat about taking cats on walks with a harness, that if their dog saw a cat on Blackheath and was off lead it would probably savage it before anything could be done by the walker- and this was presented as a reason why cats shouldn't be taken out on walks with a harness

Lolz, classic dog owner banter innit?

Ideally, drive princess puff ball the merciless to said place of outdoor leisure in an SUV, so you can escape any retribution after mittens meets its demise.

Yes endlessly hear that from in the distance as thier dog jumps up at me out or he doesn't normally do that

Same with people walking dogs in nature areas off lead and not caring its chasing the wildlife or finding it amusing as they just stare at thier phone

Don't get me started on commercial dog walkers getting dragged along by half a dozen dogs or letting them swim in the local wildlife pond.

I don't blame the dog in any of the above scenarios