Cargo Bikes

I'm in SE6, by Blythe Hill fields and WFH today if you're still in need.

Strong motorbike vibes, I kind of like it.

£6k for deore 10 and£7k for envolio hd.
The deore is a good price, usual fork issues abound but possibly good cable steering, well designed family box, matching 20" wheels, relaxed riding position and knowing cannondale, healthy dealer margins and lots of dealers will be forced into stocking one
= will be lots on discount soon.

Ugly but probably very practical for family users. Personally find most suv/cross type vehicles ugly but millions of folk still buy them. You can now get a toyota yaris cross! Like a regular yaris but on taller suspension and black plastic bits on the side, toyota will sell loads of them.

Was wondering why they went for a smaller rear wheel, spotted this:

Rear rack will carry a third child, or 27kg of gear

I can't imagine you'd see too many of these stocked in the UK as most CSG dealers are not cargo / utility bike dealers? They aren't going to want to give it floor space.

Fork has 100hr service interval which I'm sure most will ignore until it implodes.

What would have been cool, if they insisted on some sus, would have been them using their own Headshok for the fork. Or not used a sus fork at all.

Want to get a pannier for the Load75 - any recommendations? Also has anyone got a clever solution to allow their kid to nap in the front box of a cargo bike?

I mean even considering short commutes thats like 3x fork services a year. That is pretty wild considering shops advertise these things to parents as zero maintenance (cargo bikes in general)

Is it a standard pannier fitting? If so I can't recommend these enough, so easy to use.

looks cool, is it not annoying to not have a lid?

I was looking at these ortlieb ones for the box and then something else for the rear carrier

All forks and shocks have a 100hr service interval now; they are complicated devices with many critical tolerance fits and seals. I'm sure most of them can go on far longer, but if there is something up with them, the chances of doing irreparable damage increases the longer you run it.

shops advertise these things to parents as zero maintenance

Do they do this? I'd hope they don't do this, given how complex these things are becoming.

I can not speak for every shop in the world but speaking to to people where I am this is often how it happens. "get the enviolo or rholoff so there is nothing to maintain and a belt drive so there is nothing to check for years" Then something explodes and leaves them stranded. See these things getting towed on flatbeds or just being abandoned when they fail. I guess its the problem often times of new parents wandering in to buy the most safe and comfortable option possible for their little Kanzler that they can ignore except charging. Often times people are used to their city bikes that they never did any maintenance on and assume a 7000Eurobuck cargo bike thats fully integrated with electric everything must be even easier then that. IF not what are you paying for?

Often times people are used to their city bikes that they never did any maintenance on and assume a 7000Eurobuck cargo bike thats fully integrated with electric everything must be even easier then that. IF not what are you paying for?

Yeah totally. Paying £7k for a bike is total fucking madness but that's where are. I try not to think too hard about what we paid for our Shadow (Steps + Enviolo + Magura), think it was about half that, and even that felt a bit mad.

Just waiting for the hub to explode. Then it will get Rohloff and I'll be even poorer!

No, they come with a cargo net to keep stuff in. Great for dumping kid shit / totes of shopping in.

I have a one of these on my load 75

https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/27l-waterproof-bike-bag-900/_/R-p-339156

I have to mount it slightly further back than I otherwise would due to heal strike.

Keeps stuff dry, is cheap

Yeah i have been thinking about upgrading to a rohloff for a while. It’s completely unnecessary(mostly use 3-4 gears max on the lowest 2 assist settings) but I still want it. Problem is the nexus the bike came with does not seem to want to die, no matter how many times I shit shift it it just keeps going.

;) thats probably a good thing! points for shimano!

If anyone want's to know what a fucked sus fork on a cargo bike looks like, here's a good example - see the head on shot.

The fact that the fork is running without its bushing or seal is nicely omitted by the seller.

Note on 'sealed for life' items – my Enviolo hub failed at 700 miles at the bottom of a steep hill with two kids on board, 5 miles from home. Just about managed to ease it home where it completely seized.

I then got ETA Rescue cover, which offers bike recovery. For a cargo bike transporting kids outside a city, I'd say it's essential. https://www.eta.co.uk/bicycle-insurance/­cycle-rescue/

If you aren’t limited by the gear range on the nexus I would happily keep using it until it breaks :)

6k with blown fork, cracked display and who knows what else? Madness

Also whats the deal with these cracking at the attachment point? I have seen a few cracked front frame sections pop up recently on german classifieds

lol: https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/389877/#comment17112157

This is great to hear- my Enviolo gearing isn't working and the bike shop recommended a Nexus hub which seemed like good value. I think that's what we need to do.

My child is still in a Maxi cosi baby seat (but only just) and it’s mounted on a Steco mount which has a bit of suspension so it’s perfect for napping in.

I’ve been debating what to do next, I was either thinking of bodging in a reclining seat from Thule or similar, or something like this which has a nice reclining feature http://bellabike.dk/produkt/aluminiums-stol/

just curious

i have a 2019 ebullitt with an e6100 drive unit and Di2XT drivetrain.

It's got maybe 4k miles on it.

rather remarkably i haven't done a single thing to it since purchase other than replace the pads, upgrade the chain.

should i do anything to service the bike, drivetrain or drive unit? I'm constantly expecting something to fail. i transport kids on it, so it needs to continue to be be safe and reliable.

i'm thinking check chain-ring-cog wear, bleed brakes, replace pads again, make sure the steering hardware is snug.

can I update the firmware?

bey0nd that nothing.

Like I bang on about Bullitts being good, and I am biased, but generally Bullitts are specced with stuff thats known to work well, in eurorpean conditions without much bother*

*nexus 5 speed and e6100 shit the bed like annoyingly regularly compared to e6000 and e8000 were much more reliable but noisy.

The cargo fork issue I bang on about a lot. The main fix is cargo bike companies need to band together their r&d money and get a decent cargo specific fork together. 50mm stanchions, open bath oil damping, big fat bushs and a switchable air spring to quickly adjust between unladen, one kid and all the kids.

At that time I will change my tune and Reccomend cargos with suspension. Until then, buy rigid steel fork with big tyres and move to a country with roads fit for purpose.

Real talk, bullitt maintenance, grease your rose joint steering ball with good grease before and after every winter. Check motor bolts. Check steering linkages for loose parts, there is more redundancy than on load 75 (which go floppy and vague within 1000 miles, though failure is rare and used down to not being assembled right by shop or end user), adjust steering bush washers (never over tighten to make up for wear). Check headsets especially upper rear headset, just whack a load of grease in it, helps stops watery sitting on the bearing.
Freehub on casette bikes is an excellent piece of kit, don't put a hope on it thinking your upgrading it! Needs taken apart once a year and cleaned regressed with the nice light freehub grease.
You'll find hub, headset, steering bearings that are supplied stock are very good. Rear spokes vary between you'll get 10k hard use with no issues and having to rebuild the damn wheel after 500 miles (use sapim strong is enough, e strong sort of fits hub holes), keep the alex supra rim, there is no better 26" rim available. Try ryde/rigida hd 30 or 40 is next best rim available.

Anyone know what disc pads to use for RM Load? It's got TRP C2.3 brakes. Am failing at google and CBA taking the wheel off to look.