That Starmer fella...

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  • The fact that the only way you can “demonstrate economic competence” in this country is by pledging to maintain the same economic policies that have abjectly failed for the last two decades is highly indicative of many things. None of them good.

  • 7 decades of managed decline... Immigration being the only bright spot, both economically and culturally.

  • He (Ken) keeps his phone in his shirt pocket. I'm not sure he's the kind of guy Labour should be going after. Running away from more like.

  • So you don't agree with stopping people traffickers?

  • In answer to a negative question (such awful technique)...


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  • I didnt ask if it was easy. I asked if you were against it as a concept?
    It seems to align well with previously stated policy from 2022
    https://archive.ph/PpSI7

  • Starmer suggests stopping people traffickers and creating a safe and legal route to the UK for asylum seekers.

    LFGSS posts Seig Heils.

    There's literally no point discussing the issues with people in that mindset.

  • Starmer suggests stopping people traffickers and creating a safe and legal route to the UK for asylum seekers.

    The video mentions nothing about safe and legal routes, it's just attempted strong man talk about smashing criminal gangs, also nothing about about seig heils or generally stopping migrants and asylum seekers.

  • There's literally no point discussing the issues with people in that mindset

    In a meta Godwin, you've essentially channelled Adolf..

    The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.

    My point above is more about Keith's presentation of his new wheeze. A sort of lawyer hardman.

  • Keith

    Please tell me this is autocorrect because doing this deliberately is pathetic

    Apparently not then

  • new wheeze. A sort of lawyer hardman.

    Next thing you know, he'll be claiming he was the DPP, has a track record of working in the law, or some other made up nonsense. And all to try and get elected!

    Makes me sick.

  • Perhaps the problem for Keith. His instinctive lawyer believes that changing the law will solve a problem.

  • The video mentions nothing about safe and legal routes

    As my beloved Shiv Roy once said, 'there's the carnival bark and then there's the fucking show'.

  • Good point, have updated the hyperlink

  • Some links which IMO lay bare the challenges facing Starmer and Reeves..

    Reformer v Revolutionary (the attack line from the left)
    https://jacobin.com/2023/09/robert-brenner-marxist-economics-falling-rate-of-profit-stagnation-overcapacity-industrial-policy

    The sludgy long term nature of the deficit..

    https://archive.ph/U7Gzw

  • Do we think that Starmers insistence that we're not going to join 'the' customs union is cover for having 'a' customs union, you know, bespoke etc., part of the 2025 renegotiation, give notice on the CPTPP.

    The Torys are going to keep kicking the can down the road on customs / standards checks because they know anything that goes wrong will largely be covered for by their press and from there perspective it a nice can of worms to leave for Labour to deal with.

    Labour won't have that cover and if anything happens they will crucified.

  • Polls showing that 60+% want us to rejoin the EU let alone the Customs Union. We clearly need a better relationship with the EU, both politically (not just immigration) and economically and I think most can see that.

  • Every time Labour make any announcement pertaining to the EU, the usual talking heads in the media accuse them of seeking to reverse Brexit. So Labour's strategy is clearly to keep those people quiet.

    However, once they are in office they will have to pivot, and not just on Brexit, to a new position. Those very same voices will wail, but by then Labour will be in power and Brexit will continue being more and more unpopular as people realise they've were sold a pup by the Tories.

  • I really hope not. The 2018-9 Labour fudge period on Brexit was painful, and any discussion of 'the' vs 'a' customs union firmly falls into that territory as far as I'm concerned.

    A customs union allows goods to travel between member states with fewer checks. To mitigate the damage of Brexit it would need to include at least the big three EU member states, so even just 'a' customs union with just those three would be close enough to 'the' customs union that the distinction isn't worth making. (And if it doesn't cover those member states, it won't mitigate the defects of Brexit and therefore won't help us!)

    I think the way Starmer is approaching Brexit is that he'll do everything he can short of rejoining the official mechanisms (i.e. CM/SOM/FOM) in the first term. Then once the financial benefits of doing the small stuff come in, he can point to it and use it as a springboard to consent for more formal arrangements. Fortunately there are a tonne of things we can do before we rejoin, including alignment on standards, import/export checks, Erasmus, space gubbins, what have you, and the good thing about that is that the more we behave like a normal partner to the EU, the more likely they are to trust that we'll be reliable in CU/SM/FOM negotiations.

    It's a good strategy I think. Not as bold as I'd want. But then I've called almost every major vote wrong for the last decade so probably Starmer's wise not to listen to what I want.

  • Polls showing that 60+% want us to rejoin the EU let alone the Customs Union.

    Yeah things are improving, there are some nuances in the polls. I'm not sure the public at large are ready for the debit to happen again yet.

    My hope is that we get 10 years of Labour largely undoing the damage by a lining standards and have more and more sector deals. The Torys will go even more mental for the next election #braverman for leader, they'll loss again and come back with a cameron type who wants to rejoin EU.

    The EU aren't going to talk about us rejoining until the Tory's are back on side, it has to be a totally settled debit in this country. Hopefully we'll have PR by then and the current brand of hard right tory will be locked out of power forever.

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