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How do you think that gap exists
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accuses Cancellara of using a motor
It's a heck of a story! After watching 60 minutes I think it might be true.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-investigates-hidden-motors-and-pro-cycling-2/
There's also this:
The Hungarian 'inventor' seems to have made a fair bit of money already, and if he manufactured it openly maybe the only customers would be racers (the battery life is 20 mins) and the checking would be improved and the market would disappear. Or maybe he wouldn't be able to protect his patent and there'd be cheap copies on alibaba?
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Hah this sent me down a rabbit hole too. I saw some very click baity videos about lance ages ago and didnt think much of it. But there is definitely some videos weird looking of seated accelerations by Cancellara. Maybe due to the original videos being played at a different speed for affect?
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When did the detectors become commonplace? Was it before Spartacus and Froome were alleged to have done it?
If the detectors have rendered the motors useless for proper racing, I can imagine the 'inventor' selling to the Competitive Dad types who are desperate to win an Etape. That's a much more believable scenario than pros buying them.
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When he’s gone? Is he planning on goning soon?
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Col de la Loze going through Courcheval? I was climbing that a few hours earlier that day and a local was offering slices of saucisson to riders as we laboured by. I did notice that the platter was actually his dusty upturned flip flop/slider/whatever its called nowadays but I took one and ate it anyway.
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https://twitter.com/festinaboy/status/1498939393859633153?s=20
And the top 10 from that day....
Foliforov nor Firsanov have ever won another WT race. Foliforov's only other top 10 in that race came from a breakaway stage.
If they did motor dope, and got away with it, it has to be possible others did.
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Long read (replies). Entertaining.
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If they did motor dope, and got away with it
Perhaps their motors were in the rear rim? This was the 2016 Giro, when the UCI introduced scans. "Approximately 2,000 took place at the first Grand Tour of the year, the Giro d’Italia (each rider had their bikes tested on average four times during the three-week event). The tests were carried out using the UCI’s magnetic resistance scanning method which detected a case of technological fraud at the 2016 UCI Cyclo-cross World Championships." https://www.uci.org/pressrelease/the-uci-management-committee-adopts-strengthened-code-of-ethics-approves/20HIFgvVN6gjMErdqZGjwe
The following year three TV stations got together to investigate. They said the scans could not detect the latest dodge: "The joint investigation by France 2, ARD, and Il Corriere della Sera tested the effectiveness of the UCI's current process for detecting hidden motors, using an iPad adapted with magnets that the governing body says detects changes in magnetic flux density which would indicate the presence of a motor. Travelling to the Fraunhofer Institute in Germany, the report found that although this test was effective at detect older motors hidden in the seat tube of bikes, it could not detect what was described as the "latest generation" of hidden motors. This latest motor technology uses electromagnets hidden in the rear wheel, reportedly costing €20,000 per wheel, and could not be detected by the UCI iPad, with the only positives being given by the metallic spokes and cassette." https://archive.ph/s57Hh
The UCI dodged the question: "It is clear that the people using our device in Sunday’s Stade 2 report had had no training. We have, immediately following the report, offered to meet with them to demonstrate how to use our scanners effectively.” https://road.cc/content/news/228768-uci-tests-cant-detect-some-hidden-motors-claims-report
It's the same story as PEDs: the boffins are always developing a new method and it takes a year or two for the testing procedure to catch up. Maybe the UCI needs to do x-rays of complete bikes. But that would be slow and expensive. In the meantime perhaps we could have a video analysis widget to autodetect acceleration when seated.
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I do. I like Lemond a lot, but he's a crackpot when it comes to motors in bikes.
This Hungarian inventor he associates with claims to have invented a motor that is so efficient you can hide it a regular frame or hub, yet he's not thought to commercialise it at all, despite the fact he'd make millions.
Despite literally thousands of tests, just one professional rider, a Belgian cyclocrosser, has been found to have been using a motor. It's clearly not as big a problem as Lemond, and to a lesser extent, David Lappartient, would have us believe.