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  • Where has he offered worse public pay settlements than the tories, unless you've seen something I haven't he said he wouldn't be drawn into giving a figure.

    Said they would reject the public pay review body recommendation of 6.5%, which the government have now offered

    I'm sorry but you're a fucking moron.

    Nice

  • Said they would reject the public pay review body recommendation of 6.5%

    This is not true. I appreciate you don't like Starmer but the truth is important. He didn't say he'd reject the recommendation. What he said was that he wouldn't make a commitment either way:

    https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-fails-to-commit-to-recommended-public-sector-pay-rises-12910325

    I also think re: immigration under Blair people forget that immigration quadrupled while Blair was in power, and it was firmly linked to both a financial message (we need workers to grow) and a cultural one (we are a multi cultural society and immigration benefits us).

    Labour's language toughened up around 2008 when it started becoming more obvious that anti-immigrant sentiment was growing, but I don't recall any significant legislative changes to stop it.

    But Labour supporters are a weird group. I know people who viscerally loathe Ed Miliband, even now, for having once put out some merch with the phrase 'controls on immigration' stamped on the side. A more anodyne phrase you'll be hard pressed to find, but it made him significant enemies.

  • I appreciate you don't like Starmer

    You can go back a couple of pages and see me saying good things but apparently any criticism is unacceptable. If anyone found that performance yesterday inspiring then good for them

  • but I don't recall any significant legislative changes to stop it.

    Right, but they sat by as abuses at Yarl's Wood were committed and where possible did things such as deporting aslym seekers before their hearing dates.

    This was prior to 2008. My knowledge of this only started from 2006, so Idk how prevalent it was before then.

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