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  • ^ this.

    Always worth a quick look on a map in these times.

    If Putin is replaced what next? Peace and democracy, or a potential civil war as regions try and break away? What is the knock-on effect for all those supper stable surrounding regions?

    Ideal US outcome is Putin stays, Russia withdraws, Ukraine accepts current annexation in some sort of DMZ compromise and Russia is brought back into the world economy. Not the total implosion Russia and all the surrounding regions followed up with a Chinese expansion toward Europe.

  • OK. Maybe not ideal - I mean I'm sure they'd love an open low-crime stable democracy run by a happy go lucky pro US leader.

    But realpolitik, yes.

    1. It would wrap up the conflict faster
    2. Reduce cost
    3. Limit humiliation for Putin and get back to the status quo

    The amount Zelenskyy brings up taking all territory back, tells you how concerned they are that the West will (or probably is) pressuring them to accept some territory loss. The fact that there were zero fucks by the international community after Crimea tells you how readily the west will take some territory loss in someone else's country.

    Also re-reading my post it makes it sound as though I mean the current state of territory control. I mean pre-2022 boarders.

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