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if you genuinely believe that
trans women are women
There should be no debate about excluding them from women's cycling, because as women they should be treated as women.
If this is your position, do you think that there should be any requirements with regard to hormone levels etc. for trans women, at least in elite professional sports?
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burn the last ten or so pages of this thread and just keep this one post, imho
ffm
plasticniki
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God this thread is incredibly disappointing, particularly the opprobrium directed at @Calumonwheels
@Velocio pretty much nailed this in his last post, but to spell it out a bit more clearly: if you genuinely believe that
There should be no debate about excluding them from women's cycling, because as women they should be treated as women. If you even consider exclusion a valid option, you don't really think trans women are women. That means you're not an ally of trans people, you're a transphobe. It really is that simple.
As @Velocio says, if you were to reframe this 'debate' as about gay people, or black people, or disabled people I hope that everyone would find this completely unthinkable.
The fundamental argument behind excluding trans women from women's racing is that they have a physiological advantage. As James says, some sports are better suited to people with certain physiologies. Kenyan people have a physiological advantage at running, so should they be excluded from running because they have an advantage?
I hope everyone reading that would consider that racist, an absolutely unacceptable proposition and say no, but honestly the last few pages has got me wondering.
As in wider society, it seems that there is a disappointingly large number of people on this forum for whom trans equality is a step too far, and who seem to think it's acceptable to have a 'debate' about a marginalised, vulnerable group and whether they should be excluded from aspects of society.
That's shameful.