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Right, but c00ps asked for a day pack, not a pack for climbing/scrambling up walls, so I was going from the hiking perspective.
My 35Lish UL pack weighs 290g. My non-UL but still pretty UL 45L bear can carrying, floating hip belt equipped, internally framed load hauler (20KGs+ easily) weighs 1020g. Former is constructed of Challenge Sailcloth Ultra 200 and the latter is a mixture of Challenge Sailcloth Ultragrid and an Ultra TX/Robic blend.
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Right, but c00ps asked for a day pack, not a pack for climbing/scrambling up walls, so I was going from the hiking perspective.
Missed this - yes, that was exactly what I was asking, ta. The used Atom was a bit too beaten up for the £££, so I didn't take it. Borrowing something else temporarily this weekend, then I will look around at some other suggestions here (and probably bite the bullet and go new, as I'll have it for years).
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I think we can all agree that bags are like bikes - what defines ‘better’ depends on the person, situation, weather and mood ;)
I’m giving a viewpoint based on my experiences.
I’m not interested in bags with external frames etc, really old bags are no good, that much I’ll accept.
Obviously there’s probably an element of retrogrouch(we are on lufguss after all) but honestly for my needs(hiking and climbing) they function far better than anything else I’ve used.
Have shredded an Osprey dropping it a couple of feet in slate quarry due to its lightweight material, to me that renders it unfit for purpose. Maybe some others have comparable abrasion resistance but if I can’t pick it up and put it down a dozen times a day on any surface without thinking about it then I’m not interested. Obviously climbing puts a bag through more hardships than hiking so I’ll accept not everyone needs the cockroach level durability. Personally I can’t afford to buy a new rucksack every time I have to drop/lower it off a cliff which happened more times than I expected last summer.
Comfort? Some of the 90s-00s bags have excellent padding and fit. There’s a reason they sold so many and they’re all still around. Weight transfer? Done 1000s of feet of trad climbing and miles of hiking with one, no issues. More comfy that the Osprey with is vented modern back. For me at least.
I also had a modern Grivel daypack briefly but found it a bit faffy and frustrating.
The Karrimor hiking/backpacking bags of that era are quite different to the climbing ones and have a more ergonomic back and other features not present on my ones.
Weight? I’ve usually got climbing gear in mine, the weight of the bag is not a consideration.
They’re cheap. And you’re using something that’s already out there and possibly been languishing in a cupboard for years(ever done up an old bike?😜).
Is a 30yr old Karrimor right for everyone in every scenario? Absolutely not, but it’ll almost certainly be right for 95% of people at a fraction of the price of modern bags. I don’t think it’s a niche choice at all.
I get it, some people enjoy the newest, lightest, shiniest but not everyone ;)
I’m not trying to be cool or a Luddite I promise, I’ve attempted to get into modern bags on a few occasions but it’s a no from me.
Yer man asked for a recommendation for a rucksack and I gave one based on my experience of fucking around outdoors in all weathers.
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