That Starmer fella...

It’s so good having the grownups back in charge

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I've got what I think is a pretty interesting take on the advert furore. It's a viewpoint which has been lost in all the discussion. See what you think of it:

fuck Rishi sunak

It's not bad is it? Really seems to cut through the nonsense.

And as a PSA, failing to adequately jail paedophiles is in no way a left wing position. I'll never understand why people don't realise that social justice requires justice to be served. You cannot call yourself a socialist if you don't enact justice. It's literally right there in the description.

looks like it will be a series

I think it's the vibe of appealing to people's most base instincts rather than elevating them.

"do you like nonces? Are you a fucking nonce? Then don't vote tory you slag!"

I mean I get it. Like Blair making sure everyone knew Letwin and Howard were Jewish, just in case. But I still think it's shitty.

Like, man's a cunt, he does bare cunt things but they can point that out really easily without being cunts.

Fuck Rishi Sunak, sure. But snide racist dog whistles? Fuck that. There’s plenty to attack Sunak on without implying that he’s a pedo lover. Attack Sunak for being a literal fucking oligarch. Attack him for something that has substance. Not this disgusting shite.

Racism is good, it appears, when you are doing it against your political opponents.

And lol - the sentencing guidelines under which all those sex offenders went free were literally drawn up under Starmer, so how’s that for socialism? And guess what, some of the mitigations are actually good! They allow for leniency where the offender has a mental disorder or is under the age of 18. Which is good! Sometimes just slamming everyone in jail is the wrong fucking answer.

Oh and before any slides in with the plausible deniability clause on the dog whistle racism (“well I can’t hear the dog whistle) Labour have already copped to it, so let’s all take a moment to process how well that zero tolerance on racism shite is going.

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Funny that Starmer would run with this line given that he literally let off a guy who shot an innocent man in public

I just don't see the dogwhistle, and I don't think the above tweet admits culpability of any such thing.

Sunak isn't Pakistani. He's not Muslim. I understand the dog whistle people say is there, I just don't see it.

Wanting paedophiles jailed is not a far right position. Defending mitigations for paedophiles is not an election winning prospect.

Fucking hell, centrist dad's are desperate to lick Starmers boot.

I think it’s justified to attack the Tories on crime, given the cuts in funding for the entire criminal justice system, but this ad can fucking do one. It’s appallingly bad and, inadvertently or not, gives legitimacy to a far right conspiracy.

well I can’t hear the dog whistle

Its only a dog whistle because the Tory’s and there mates like Tommy whatever the fuck have made it one.

Edit, to be clear it’s a shitty ad, but I’m glad they’re prepared to fight dirty agains these cunts.

Word, it's about time

It's quite sad that Labour don't think there's a positive case to be made on superior policies.

Negative campaigning is a very basic position to have to take and shows a lack of faith in the electorate.

shows a lack of faith in the electorate.

That's the correct strategy then.

It's quite sad that Labour don't think there's a positive case to be made on superior policies.

Every time they put forward a positive policy it gets ripped to shreds as economically illiterate even it fully costed or being woke buy the Tories and the press

I just don't see the dogwhistle, and I don't think the above tweet admits culpability of any such thing.

Sunak isn't Pakistani. He's not Muslim. I understand the dog whistle people say is there, I just don't see it.

100%. Someone told me about this tweet last night so I looked it up this morning expecting something quite different. I don't like the tweet, but objectively the alleged dog whistle just isn't there.

Yep, how can you have any faith in an electorate who voted for Brexit, voted for Boris Johnson and have kept the Tories in power for 13 year?

It's just realistic.

Of course such realism antagonises the left wing of the Labour party because they'd prefer Labour stuck to it's principles and we have another seven years of Tory government :P

(I do actually think that it's one thing 'going low' but Starmer has still to set out many positive reasons to vote Labour)

such realism

It's a cunty way of doing it though, it's a shit attack ad, reeks of crappy local American politics things you normally only see on a John Oliver segment. They could say the same things better, communicate the same point without seeming like they're part of some shitty playground "your dad's a paedo" fighting, they're still ahead in any polls and there's not an election imminent, why stoop to this kind of shit now?

So just to clarify, Labour who were publicly outraged that Boris Johnson said Starmer had a role in a decision not to prosecute a paedophile, just released an ad saying Sunak has a role in the decision not to prosecute paedophiles?

Yep. And I don't know. Even if you thought it was exactly the right approach it seems premature. That election's still a while away.

Personally I suspect they’re trying to figure out what resonates with the electorate well ahead of the election.

suprising ad for someone who recently had this to say:

"But simply turning it into a toxic divide advances the cause of no one...it’s also a pattern of behaviour of the last 10 years which is turning everything into a toxic culture … which is the last resort of politicians who have nothing substantive to say on the issue."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/apr/01/turning-trans-issues-into-a-toxic-divide-doesnt-help-says-keir-starmer

all part of the plan tho i'm sure, trust in the process 💎🙌 ... or errr... that weeks focus group

I hate it. I've decided it must be intentionally, deliberately bad, a kind of any publicity is good publicity tactic. Easy controversy, plenty of media focus. I'd rather they were talking about something like this instead https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/08/home-office-admits-no-evidence-to-support-key-claim-on-small-boat-crossings