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Paul Klampers are the dream and I won’t hear otherwise ha

by all accounts just as good as hydros.

Reader, I lol'd.

Apex 1 feels like formula 1 brakes compared with cable discs

BP has a sticker for you...

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You can lol, but that is what everyone who's used them says, they're incredibly good.

*I'm just not posh enough to splash £400 on brakes to testify!

https://bikerumor.com/paul-klamper-mechanical-disc-brake-review-comparison-growtac-equal/

"They look shit but I like shit looking brakes, they worked like noisy shit for only the first 90 miles or so, then they were a dream, compared to noisy shit brakes they were quiet and stopped me if I pulled hard enough to get arm pump on downhill stuff. Perfect brakes, 5/7."

Just get hydros, or at least just say you're happy with shitter brakes for other reasons, they're not as good.

I'm happy with my BB7s since someone on here shared a good setup guide. Had zero problems, even riding around with a touring load. Some might say BB7s are better than hydros.... *I'm not saying that.

I'd also like some of those stickers.

I'd also probably swap them if someone made a 1*10 hydro shifter for post mount that worked with a 11-46 cassette that didn't need additional jiggery pokery.

I’m going to throw in my 2p and say that Paul Klampers were brilliant on the Crust I tried. They stopped us and you could feather them amazingly. The Sram Force ones on my CX bike do exactly the same thing. The difference was only apparent when I tried to ride the Crust like the CX and then it all went south very quickly. To be fair I’m not sure if it was the brakes, the bendy forks or both that did it. For 95% of rides brakes are brakes are brakes.

Tiagra or GRX400 and any Shimano post mount brake.

I can set up bb7s as well as anyone, have used them myself, including touring loads, they're not as good as spyres or juintech in that order which are worse than any (Shimano but any really) hydro.

BB7...good setup guide

Got a link?

I can't believe we're having this conversation in 2023.

It's not a conversation, just people not admitting they're wrong.

I adore Klampers, total fanboy. Have them on a touring tandem, they are wonderful.

I don't think I can compare it with the hydros I know, because those are drop bar levers and my tandem has flat bar levers. I couldn't say how much that alone makes a difference (a lot, I suspect), but I much, much prefer the braking on the tandem.

Some might say BB7s are better than hydros....

I'm just saying that in comparison to the endless shit show that is apex 1. Cracked master cylinder assemblies, leaking bladders and a final good bye via a stripped thread where banjo bolt meets the plastic lever body courtesy of an eager bike shop mechanic which I discovered a year after the fact.
Trying to fix it being an endless stream of "why is it spongy again???" ... Mixed with washing off for fluid of surfaces, hands, tools.

In comparison to that BB7s are a poster child of reliability and maintainability. Also positively more powerful than the TRP spyre that I had to use for the front now since the new fork is flat mount.

Everybody, please, brakes r death

I don't, but I took a screenshot for ease of use, I'll PM you in case it enrages anyone.

But SRAM and the spyre was set up badly like they all are.

I would avidly defend Paul clampers if he sent me a pair, I’d go into every brake thread and goe toe to toe with anyone about stuff like “lever feel” and “what if I was cycling through hell itself and needed a hydro bleed”

But until then, £440 is an absolutely obscene amount for what amounts to analog masturbation

Even easier to get better braking on flat bars, just use any fucking MTB brake, the crap ones will be at least as good as the best cables, the good ones are much better.

There are honestly very few reasons to pick cable, the main one is cost, which is ruined by his expensive klampers are, aesthetics is an arguement, but a subjective one, the ability to repair things with rabbit guts in the wilderness maybe, but for the most part, if you've got some working hydros they stay that way with no need to adjust them until the pads are shot (not SRAM, check you've not got leaky shimano pistons before riding into the wastelands).

Yup, that's what I meant (or tried to)

By MTB brake I mean hydro.

Now 515 at Woods or BLB.

I've got a BLB account, who wants some?

I hear they're amazing and well worth the money.