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kjlem-
Not a good idea for Scotland then….
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They don't slip on my vigorelli but have seen them fail on my friends pre cursa. The tube shape may be a factor there. I have king cage mounts on the vig and another bike now and would highly recommend them.
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I've got one on my steel vig and had zero issues with rain. Each to their own though and the king option would be more sturdy.
bilhog
3c70
OliB
Will definitely be getting one of those!